.BZU.

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Originally Posted by Raheel Ek baaat ap batayen k quran me Allah ne farmaya k jadugar kabhi apnay maqsad me kamyab nahi ho sakta lekin yeh kahan farmaya hay k us k jadu me asar nahi hay ? koi aisi wazaih ayat ho to batayen.

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kia in 3 ayat say wazay nahi ho raha hay ky jo loog kehta hain kay jado main asar hay wo ghalat hay. jabkay jado ki haqeqat sirf itni hay kay wo sirf jhoota shubda hay. aur fareeb hay?


Aur nechay wali surah Younis . main Allah nay yeh kaha hay kay agar Allh ka mojaza jado hota tu wo bhi kamiyab nahi hota..

Agar jado main asar hay tu jadogar apnay jado karnay main kamiyab kaisay nahi ho sakta?


Jab jado wagheera say kuch nuqsaan hei nahi pohuncha saktay tu jado main asar hei nahi huya na mere bhai jaan...tu Allah kiyon phir us main khud say asar dalay ga?

Aur Allah ne jis trah say hukum ki baat hay wo pechay 2 dafa likhi gai hay kay Allah ka hukum kis trah ho sakta hay... yahan yeh nahi likha huya kay Allah jadogar main asar dalnay ka hukum dayga, jabkay yeh zaror likha hay kay jado kisi ko koi faida nahi deta .balklay jado karnay walon ko nuqsaan hoga...

Aur agar is trah ki baat maan lo kay Allah khud hei jadogar kay jado main asar dalnay ya na dalnay ka hukum day deta tu Allah apni hei kahi gai baat ka Ekhtelaaf kar raha hay kay .. udhar Allah keh raha hay kay jadogar kamiyab hei nahi ho sakta . aur udhar Allah beiman jadogar ko jis ko Allah nay kaha hay wo kamiyab hei nahi ho sakta, us ko jado say koi faida hei nahi hoga balkay nuqsaan hota hay,Phir Allah us ki khud hei madad karay ga.. wah ray.

Us ka par jado ka Asar nahi hoya. Yehi baat hay us aayat main kay is ka Allah hukum day ga... yeh nahi hay kay us jadoogar nay jo mantar waghera parhay hain un say yeh bemaar hoga aur us shakhs par jadogar kay jadoo ka asar ho giya hay...


Anyway now you beileve kay jadogar ko Allah nay itni taqat day di hay kay wo logon ko bemaar kar sakta hay(jadogar kay jado main asar hota hay)... Tooba Astaghfiruallah. jabkay Allah nay quran majeed main farmya hay kay main momin ka saath deta hon... aur udhar Allah us ka saath day raha hay jis ko Allah khud bura bhala keh raha hay.

Please read the aya. aur batao kaahan likhan say yeh wazahay ho raha hay k jadu wadu se kuch nahi hota magar Allah k hukum or iraday se?aur jadogar kay jado main asar hota hay. Koi asar honay wali ayat to dikhao.. main nay tu dikhai na ayat jin say proof ho rha hay kay jadogar kuch nahi kar sakta. jadogar beiman/dhokay baz hay wagheera wagheera

surah nisa ki ayat main jado par iman lanay say kia muraad hay? zahir hay yehi muraad hay kay kay jaado main asar maan lena. aur konsa jado par imaan lana ka meaning ho sakata hay?

Agar koi shakhas yeh maan lay kay jadogar kay jado main asar hay tu us par Allah ki lanat barsay gi. isliay bhi yeh baat hargiz nahi man ni chahay ... Raheel aur Usman bhai ...

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Anyway Abh maan li aap ki baat... aur aap kay mutabiq wo sab batain maan lain ki jadogar kay tonay totkay main asar hay.(aur yeh asar Allah deta hay. because Allah nay jadogar ko sab say bara dhokay baaz aur beiman kaha hay)... aur wo ahadees bhi maan li jin ka aap nay abhi tak zikar hei nahi ki...



abh aap wo 4 batain quran aur hadees sahi kay roshani main saabit kar kay dikhao...

1. Allah nay zameen par us hasti ko ; Lakri main Jaan dalnay ki taqat di hay (Jaan dalana sirf Allah ki sifat hay) jis kay li ay Allah nay kaha hay kay wo kabhi kamiyab nahi ho sakta.
2. Hazart Mohammad SAW Jado zada shakhsiyat they,aur un par yahoodiyon nay jado kar diya tha (Jaisay kay Mushrakeen e makah ka iman tha)
3. Allah tala nay Sleman A.S ko frishton kay zariay Kufar aur jado ki taleem di... (Jado kufar hey , aur frishton ka jado sikhana bhi kufar hay. means frishton nay bhi kufar kia)
   
4. Jadogar ko Allah nay nakamiyab kaha hay. aur Allah nay jadogar ko Dunia jahan kay sab kaam karnay ki taqat di hay.... (jabkay, Bhagwan, tawez, etc waghera waghera ko yeh taqat nahi di)
   

Please in kay proof do.. in kay answer main nay khud nahi di ay aap do. nahi tu aap ko etraaz ho jata hay kay aapnay question kay answer khud hei day di ay hain.

Raheel

Agar jadu ki haqeeqat sirf itni hay ke woh jhoota shobda hay to Mian or Biwi me jhagra kesay ho jata tha ?




Kamiyab aisay nahi ho sakta k Allah ne usay nakamiyab kernay ka kaha hay is liye woh kesay kamiyab ho ?

Yahan phir me wahi quran wali bat kahunga k mian bivi me jhagra kesay kerwate thay woh log ?

Aisay to jo burayian duniya me phaili howi hain or phail rahi hain woh sab kesay hain kiya shaitan ker raha hay agar ap kehti hain k shaitan ker raha hay to us ko yeh ikhtiyar kesay aya or agar kehti hain k Allah pak ki taraf se hay to yeh kesay howa k quran me Allah ne burayion se roka hay or khud hi duniya me jari ker di hain.

App ne ayat quote ki hay lekin abhi tak is ka shan-e-nuzool or is se related jo sahi ahadees hain wo quote nahi ki yeh to wahi baat ho gayee k ek shuks kahay k Allah quran me farmata hay "NAMAZ K QAREEB MAT JAO" ab woh kahay k Allah ne quran me mana farmaya hay namaz k qareeb janay se jab k poori ayat yeh hay k " NAMAZ K QAREEB MAT JAO JAB TUM NASHAY KI HALAT ME HO" or yeh bilkul muje wesay hi lag rahi hay jesay k app apnay 4 sawalat puch rahi hain.

Nahi yeh murad nahi hay jadu main asar maan lena is se murad us k kiye daray per emaan lana k us k kernay se hoga jab k saaf wazeh hay Surah Baqra ayat # 102 main k Allah chahay to us me nuqsan ho sakta hay yani k jadu me asar nahi agar Allah chahy to asar ho sakta hay or Nafa Nuqsan bhi.

Beshak us per Allah ki Lanat barasti hay jo asbab per yaqeen rakhta ho.

Ab jab bat man li ap ne to sara jhagra hi khatam howa na acha howa maan li bat ap nay wesay bhi ap ko man na hi tha q k ap galat hain apnay daway main.

.BZU.

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Originally Posted by Raheel Agar jadu ki haqeeqat sirf itni hay ke woh jhoota shobda hay to Mian or Biwi me jhagra kesay ho jata tha ?

So tu khud hei Allah ki ayat ko jhoota keh rahay ho. jab Allah keh raha hay kay jadoo Jhota shubda hay tu yeh baat pochna aap ko shubah bhi nahi deti kay aap aisi baat mere say kaho. aap ko yeh baat Allah say karnay chahiay kay Ay Allah jab tu keh raha hay kay jhoota shubada hay tu saleman A.S kay yahoodiyon ka yeh Aqeeda kiyon tha kay wo yeh kehtay thay is jado say miyan biwi main jhagta ho jata hay? (But Allah nay yeh kaha kay is jado say wo kuch (nafa) miyan biwi main jhagra nahi kara saktay thay...)

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Originally Posted by Raheel Yahan phir me wahi quran wali bat kahunga k mian bivi me jhagra kesay kerwate thay woh log ?

Shyad yeh baat main nay already Usman ko explain ki hay kay kaisay jhaghra karwatay tha.

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Originally Posted by Raheel Kamiyab aisay nahi ho sakta k Allah ne usay nakamiyab kernay ka kaha hay is liye woh kesay kamiyab ho ?

Jab itni baat kar li hay kay jadoogar kaisay kamiyab ho tu matter hei seedha khatam ho gya kay jadogar kay jadoo main asar hei nahi hay. Allah jo chahay karta hay...

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Originally Posted by Raheel Aisay to jo burayian duniya me phaili howi hain or phail rahi hain woh sab kesay hain kiya shaitan ker raha hay agar ap kehti hain k shaitan ker raha hay to us ko yeh ikhtiyar kesay aya or agar kehti hain k Allah pak ki taraf se hay to yeh kesay howa k quran me Allah ne burayion se roka hay or khud hi duniya me jari ker di hain.

Phir yahan par sheetan aur Insan ko compare kar rahay ho. Allah nay insan ko 2 rasatay bata ay hain. Aik bura rasata aur aik Neek rasta.jo buray rasatay par amal kar raha hay . wo burayan phila raha hay.

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Originally Posted by Raheel App ne ayat quote ki hay lekin abhi tak is ka shan-e-nuzool or is se related jo sahi ahadees hain wo quote nahi ki

Jaddoo aur Taaghoot main shaan-e-nazool kidhar say aa giya...
aur yeh behis 5 pages tak pohunch gai hay. aap dono nay abhi tak koi bhi aisi hasdees paish nahi ki. jo kay Allah kay quran ki nafi karnay ko tiyar ho...aur kehtay mujhay ho kay shane nazol . shane nazol.

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Originally Posted by Raheel yeh to wahi baat ho gayee k ek shuks kahay k Allah quran me farmata hay "NAMAZ K QAREEB MAT JAO" ab woh kahay k Allah ne quran me mana farmaya hay namaz k qareeb janay se jab k poori ayat yeh hay k " NAMAZ K QAREEB MAT JAO JAB TUM NASHAY KI HALAT ME HO" or yeh bilkul muje wesay hi lag rahi hay jesay k app apnay 4 sawalat puch rahi hain.

Yeh Main nay isi li ay aik ayat ka piece aap ko parhnay kay li ay qoute nahi kia tha. us ayat kay agay pechay wali sab ayat bhi share ki thein takay aap aisa socho bhi na.








Oper tu likh dia kay Wama,. means Aur Nahi...
But Usi ayat kay anadr aglay line main likh dia kay,


Wama means Pechay lag gay us ilam kay...
Yahan par kiyon nahi kaha kay..

Nahi nazil kia giya farishton par? (jabakay peechay itna bhi likh diya hay kay frishton nay kufar nahi kia...aur agar jado Allah nay frishton kay zariay (jadoo, kufar) nazil kia hay tu phir Allah nay Saleman A.S par bhi jadoo (kufar) utara tha .because frishtay Nabiyon kay paas atay hain. airon gheeron kay pass nahi.)


aur phir nechay ja kar dobar yehi keh diya ...

Wama means nahi ...
Qissa Haroot Maroot Aur Jadoo Ki Haqeqat Surah Albaqrah ayat 102(Islamic Book) What is Magic ? Urdu... is ayat kay baray main mazeed tafseer aur Tashreeh is book main darj hay.

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Originally Posted by Raheel Nahi yeh murad nahi hay jadu main asar maan lena is se murad us k kiye daray per emaan lana k us k kernay se hoga jab k saaf wazeh hay Surah Baqra ayat # 102 main k Allah chahay to us me nuqsan ho sakta hay yani k jadu me asar nahi agar Allah chahy to asar ho sakta hay or Nafa Nuqsan bhi.

tu aap jado main asar maan kar kiye daray par tu emaan la rahay ho. aur konsa kia dara ha

Surah bakra main yeh nahi likha kay jadogar kay jado main asar dalnay ka hukum hay..

Allah kay hukum wali example aap nay khud hei di hay...

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Originally Posted by Raheel Let suppose agar jadugar kisi per us k mar janay k liye jadu kerta hay lekin woh shuks sakht beemar ho ker theek ho jata hay to yeh howa na k woh jadugar apnay maqsad me kamiyab nahi howa lekin Allah k hukum se woh beemar howa yani us shuks per us jadu ka asar to howa na ?

Us ka par jado ka Asar nahi hoya. Yehi baat hay us aayat albaqrah 102 main m kay Allah kay uzan say jo kuch hota hay. jadogar kay jado say kuch nahi hota...
yeh nahi hay kay us jadoogar nay jo mantar waghera parhay hain un say yeh bemaar hoga aur us shakhs par jadogar kay jadoo ka asar ho giya hay...aur waisay bhi jadogar yeh kab manta hay kay yeh sab Allah nay kia hay. phir bhi aapko us kay ki ay daray par emaan hay kay us kay kiye daray main Allah asar dal deta hay.

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Originally Posted by Raheel Beshak us per Allah ki Lanat barasti hay jo asbab per yaqeen rakhta ho.

Aap bhi tu jado kay asar (kiye daray par) beieve kar rahay ho na

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Ab jab bat man li ap ne to sara jhagra hi khatam howa na acha howa maan li bat ap nay wesay bhi ap ko man na hi tha q k ap galat hain apnay daway main.

main nay aap say un baton kay answer pochnay kay li ay kaha hay. chalo shabash answer do zara...

usman_latif_ch

Aeyaat ko kat kat k perny ki bajye puri aeyat koi bhi perhy ga tu wsko saf saf pata chal jye ga k haqeeqat kya ha



"Or wo dono unko kuch nahi seekhtay thy jab tk keh yeh na keh dayn k ham "zeryah e azmaesh" hain tum koofar mein na pero' garz log insy aesa jado seekhty jis sy mian biwi mein judai dal dayn or Allah k hukam k siwa iss (jado) sy kisi ka kuch nahi bigar sakty thy or kuch aesy (mantar) seekhty jo inko nuqsan he pohchty or kuch faida nahi or jis cheez k eewaaz unhon ny apni jaanon ko baich dala wo buri thi. kash wo iss bat ko janty"





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koi jado ghar yan wska jado nuqsan nahi pohcha sakta laqin Allah chaty tu ( jado/amliyat) sy kisi nuqsan ka hukam dy sakta ha

Allah or booton/Peeron etc mein bhi faraq ha na in ki characteristics mein bohat faraq ha

laqin kafir tu booton sy manty, Log peeron k pass ja kr bhi muradain mangty hain or Allah un k zarzeh un ko deta bhi ha
tu kya hm yeh tasawer kr rahy hain k peeron/booton ko allah ny ikhteyar dy diya ha?
yan yeh keh unko sheetan dy raha ha..........

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jado ghar k jado mein asar nahi ha magar Allah chahy tu kisi ki azmaesh k liye jesy booton k pooja kerny walon ko booton sy ata kerta ha aesy he jado mein beshak asar nahi ha magr agr koi jado kerwata ha tu Allah wski azmeash k liye Allah kisi ka nuqsan ker sakta ha

laqin jado ghar kamyab nahi hoga matlab k wo nahi hoga kamyab kabhi nahi hoga

agar wo kamyab ho jaye tu wska jado Allah k hukam k baghaire bhi asar kr jye matlab yeh ha jab keh wo jado kerta ha tu Allah ws k jado k zaryeh logon k azmesh k liye jado k waqti tore pr kisi k nuqsan kr sakta ha or Allah ws k jado k asar ko zayal bhi kr deta ha apny bandon ko batany k liye k wo jhoota ha or mein he sacha hn

agar wo jado kerta or wska koi asar he nahi hota (Allah k hukam sy) tu kamyabi or nakami ka swal he paida nahi hota

Allah k quran ki koi bhi aeyat quran ki kisi aeyat sy nahi takrati magar apki soch

Or yeh sb ahadees sahi hain reference ap mujh sy zada achi terhan janty ho mein sirf ishra dy raha hn

Allah k nabi pr jado wali(sahi bukhari)
Allah k nabi ny sheetan k namaz k doran pakra(Sahi bukhari or sahi muslim)
Allah k nabi ny farmaya sheetan insan k jism mein khone ki terhan chal phir sakta ha(Sahi bukhari and sahi muslim)
etc...

or in mein sy ek bhi hadees quran sy nahi takrati na he Allah k koi bhi aeyat quran sy takrati ha magr apki interpretation

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Allah kisi ki azmaesh k liye kuch bhi kr sakta ha jado k zarywh kisi ka nuqsan bhi ker sakta ha
Allah k nabi jado zada shakseeyat nahi thy un pr jado hwa tha(allah k hukam sy) waqti tore pr or khatm ho gaya tha or jado ghar nakam ho gaya tha

zara ghore sy perho or tafseel bhi perho or shane nazool bhi perho k kahan or kis likha ha k mushreeqeen makkah Allah k nabi ko
kya mushreeqeen ny yeh ws waqt kehna shuru kiya tha jab ap pr jado hwa tha yan iss wajha sy k jabkeh sb log apko sadiq or ameen janty thy tu achanak apny Allah k wadaneeyat or apni reesalat ka elan kr diya tu unhon ny yeh kehna shuru kiya k ap pr kisi ny jado kr diya ha
or iss bat sy bhi yeh wazeh ho raha ha k jado ka asar aesa bhi ho sakta k wo kisi ko pagal bana sakta ha kyoun k agar jado sirf dhokha hota tu wo mushreqeen ap(S.A.W) ko kabhi Allah ki wadaneeyat or apni reesalat ka hukam deny pr yeh na kehty k ap pr jado ka asar ho gaya ha (kyoun k agar jodo kuch nahi hota wo bhi janty hoty k yeh tu sirf dhokha hota ha) "Or wo dono unko kuch nahi seekhtay thy jab tk keh yeh na keh dayn k ham "zeryah e azmaesh" hain tum koofar mein na pero"

han nahi kiya koofarAlredy mentioned k taqat nahi di ha wo kuch bhi nahi kr sakta , wo kuch bhi nahi kr sakta, wo kuch bhi nahi kr sakta
magar allah chahy tu kisi k azmesh k liye jesy peeron sy kisi ko iman rakhny pr aataa kerta ha issi terhan kisi ka nuqsan kr sakta ha

.BZU.

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Allah k quran ki koi bhi aeyat quran ki kisi aeyat sy nahi takrati magar apki soch

tu phir aap phir jado par emaan lanay walay loog kyon takra rahay hain. main nay pechay ayat qoute ki hain. kia wo nahi takra rahi............

udhar Allah yeh keh raha hay ayat main kay jadogar ka jado shoobda hay,jadogar ka fareeb hay. aur jadogar kay jado say koi faida ho bhi nahi sakta . aur udhar Allah yeh kaisay keh sakta hay kay jadogar kay jado main asar hota hay?

tu yeh sabit ho giya na kay jadogar kay jado say kuch nahi hota , Jo Allah chahay karta hay, Agar wo mafooqul asbab ho raha ho tu wo mojza hota hay. aur agar wo matehtul asbab ho raha ho wo tu normal baat hay.

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Aeyaat ko kat kat k perny ki bajye puri aeyat koi bhi perhy ga tu wsko saf saf pata chal jye ga k haqeeqat kya ha

Ayat aap khud tu pori parho na...waisay is ayat ki sahi tashreeh us book main hay, jo main nay books walay section main post ki hay... agar nahi manna parhna tu na mano...

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"Bayshak insaan jinaat ki panah talab kia kartay thay...javaban unho (jinaat) nay unki takaleef mein izafa kardiya..." (Al-jin...2)

yeh ayat 2 nahi balkay 6 hay..dosari baat . aap nay translation kaisi kar di hay...
is ki asal translation nechay parh lo.
Is main jino ka gharoor is li ay bhar giya kay . Jin (kafir jino) ka gharor aur barh giya kay . jin kehnay lagay kay hamari taqat say tu yeh Jahil insan bhi khoof khatay hain....
aur agay 7th ayat surah jin ki parh lain tu, aapko yeh bhi samjh aa jayegi kay yeh koon loog thay jo jino ki panah mangtay thay, yeh wo loog thay jo kehtay thay kay marnay kay baad unka hisab kitab nahi hoga...

aur agar aap bhi kehtay ho kay marnay kay baad aap ka hisab kitab nahi hoga tu aap bhi jino ki panah manga karain... jaisay kay is ayat 6 aur 7 main bataya giya hay

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koi jado ghar yan wska jado nuqsan nahi pohcha sakta laqin Allah chaty tu ( jado/amliyat) sy kisi nuqsan ka hukam dy sakta ha

tu yeh baat main nay 3 dafa pechay batai hay kay Allah kaisay chahay ga...

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Allah or booton/Peeron etc mein bhi faraq ha na in ki characteristics mein bohat faraq ha laqin kafir tu booton sy manty, Log peeron k pass ja kr bhi muradain mangty hain or Allah un k zarzeh un ko deta bhi ha tu kya hm yeh tasawer kr rahy hain k peeron/booton ko allah ny ikhteyar dy diya ha? yan yeh keh unko sheetan dy raha ha..........

is baat ka jawab bhi main nay pechay diya hay kay. jab peeron aur button ka ikhteyar ko tasawaer nahi kar rahay tu jadogar (hum jaisa bebas insan) kay kia ay dara ko taswur kiyon kar rahay ho......

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jado ghar k jado mein asar nahi ha magar Allah chahy tu kisi ki azmaesh k liye jesy booton k pooja kerny walon ko booton sy ata kerta ha aesy he jado mein beshak asar nahi ha magr agr koi jado kerwata ha tu Allah wski azmeash k liye Allah kisi ka nuqsan ker sakta ha

tu yeh kiyon nahi man lete kay yeh kaam Allah ki traf say huya hay. yeh kiyon maan rahay ho kay jado ki waja say huya hay aur jado ka asar ho giya hay......

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laqin jado ghar kamyab nahi hoga matlab k wo nahi hoga kamyab kabhi nahi hoga

You believe kay jadogar ghar baithay kisi ko physically effect kar sakta hay tu wo kamiyab kiyon nahi huya......

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Allah k nabi pr jado wali(sahi bukhari)

Waisay yeh hadees quote karna zara. Is say hadees ko man lene say tu App SAW ki jo shaan quran paak main hay wo wrong maloom hoti hay. qoute karna hadees, i will explain kay kaisay ghalat sabit hoti hay.abhi nechay bhi daikh lo, ayat qoute ki hay.

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Allah k nabi jado zada shakseeyat nahi thy un pr jado hwa tha(allah k hukam sy) waqti tore pr or khatm ho gaya tha or jado ghar nakam ho gaya tha

Jab Allah kay nabi par jado ho giya tu , yeh sabit ho giya kay Muhammad kareem SAW . naozbillah Sahir zada ho gay thay... Asaghfirullah. Jab kay Allah nay quran majeed main farmya kay...jadogar kamiyab hei nahi ho sakta tu Allah nay azamaish kay li ay apni kaafi saari ayat main khud say ekhtelaaf kar diya...
Jaisay is ayat # 8 ka... Muhammad SAW pori life main 1 lamha bhi sehar zada nahi ho ay... samjhay..




Abh aap bhi is hadees kay mutabiq yeh keh rahay ho kay Nabi kareem SAW par bhi jado ho giya tha... aur hum sehar zada shakhs ki Perwi kartay hain.... Astaghfirullah... naozbillah...

. Tu Allah bhi tu insan ki sheh rag say ziyda kareeb hay. so it means Allah tala bazat e khud insan ki sheh rag kay andar hotay hain? No never. It means kay Allah insan kay itna qreeb hay kay insan ka har kaam daikh raaha hay

Yahan door skta hay say murad kay insan kay itna qareeb hay kay foran behka, warghala sakta hay.. Jaisa kay Adam A.S ko bheka diya tha..It does not means ke Jini Sheetan Khud insan kay khoon kay anadar aa kar baith jata hay, aur insan say achay buray kaam karwata hay...

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Allah k nabi ny sheetan k namaz k doran pakra(Sahi bukhari or sahi muslim)

yeh hadees itni chhoti kaisay ho sakti hay. sirf itna kuch . kay namaz main akar pakra. It means kay namaz main aa kar waswasa dala, warghlaya... It does not mean kay Sheetan Nay aakar aap SAW ka Haath pakar lia, aur aap SAW par apna zooor jamanay ki koshish ki,

Balkay Nabi SAW ka tu yehi iman tha , jaisa kay quran paak main likha hay...
kay sheetan kahay ga kay mera tum logon par koi zoor nahi tha (Jis main Muhammad SAW bhi shamil hain) Main tum ko dawat deta tha aur tum labaik kehtay thay,

Is Ayat say Aap ka Sheetan ki baaqi sab taqaton ka mafrooza hei khatam ho jata hay... because sheetan ka insan per koi zoor hei nahi hay. wo bas waswasa daal sakta hay . nothing else...


Please ahadees kay Number. page number wagheera tu bata dain... takay main search kar kay in kay baray main malomat lay sakon... kay yeh aisay kiyon likhi gai hain.

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in mein sy ek bhi hadees quran sy nahi takrati na he Allah k koi bhi aeyat quran sy takrati ha magr apki interpretation

Ap SAW par jado wali hadees takra tu rahi hay...

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Allah kisi ki azmaesh k liye kuch bhi kr sakta ha jado k zarywh kisi ka nuqsan bhi ker sakta ha

Phir wohi baat duhra rahay ho kay jado kay zariay hota hay. Allah jado kay zariay karwata hay... Allah jado kay zariay hargiz nahi karwata. Allah nay khud karna hota hay tu karta hay. warna jadogar ki itni majaal nahi kay wo Allah ko apna kamiyab karnway kay li ay majboor kar di..

Theek hay agar maan lain kay jadogar kay zariye Allah karwata hay. tu yeh baat sach ho gai na kay Aap ko bhi jado par eman hay...

read surah nisa. Ayat pechay quote ki hain...

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iss bat sy bhi yeh wazeh ho raha ha k jado ka asar aesa bhi ho sakta k wo kisi ko pagal bana sakta ha kyoun k agar jado sirf dhokha hota tu wo mushreqeen ap(S.A.W) ko kabhi Allah ki wadaneeyat or apni reesalat ka hukam deny pr yeh na kehty k ap pr jado ka asar ho gaya ha (kyoun k agar jodo kuch nahi hota wo bhi janty hoty k yeh tu sirf dhokha hota ha)

So Allah nay yeh ayat aisay hei likh dain kay jadogar ka jado Dhoka hay. aur Jadogar ka jado koi faida nahi deta. aur jadogar ka jadi shobada (sirf trcik jaisay Magician kartay hain) hay...

Kia baat ki hay Mushrakeen aur Aaj kay muslamaano ko barabar kar diya hay...




Un kay jado means un kay trick say wo door rahi thein... yeh nahi kay un kay jadoo main asar ho g iya tha aur jadogaron nay asali saanp bana li ay thay...

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Alredy mentioned k taqat nahi di ha wo kuch bhi nahi kr sakta , wo kuch bhi nahi kr sakta, wo kuch bhi nahi kr sakta magar allah chahy tu kisi k azmesh k liye jesy peeron sy kisi ko iman rakhny pr aataa kerta ha issi terhan kisi ka nuqsan kr sakta ha

Jab peeron say mangnay par Allah aatta karta hay aur Peer atta nahi kartay.
Tu yeh main mat maano na ho kay jadogar kay jado kay asar say insaan pagal ho jata hay

jab itna maan letay ho kay sab Allah karta hay . tu yeh manana kiyon mushkil hay kay Allah nay jadogar ko kisi ko pagal karnay ki taqat nahi di??


Firoon kay jadogaron nay tu maan lia tha kay jado main koi asar nahi hay, isliay wo tu sajday main gir paray thay. But afsoos, Ajj ki ummat... phir kehti hay kay hum tu muslim ummat hay. humaray opper zalzalay kiyon aatay hain. humary opper khud kush hamlay kiyon hotay hain...

But yeh baat sach hay kay (jaisa ka pichhli aqmam say sabit hay) Allah kisi na kisi trah apni munkir qoom per hei azaab bhaijta hay. aur kehta hay kay mere azab ka maza chakhoo...

usman_latif_ch

jado ghar k jado mein asar nahi ha magar Allah chahy tu kisi ki azmaesh k liye jesy booton k pooja kerny walon ko booton sy ata kerta ha aesy he jado mein beshak asar nahi ha magr agr koi jado kerwata ha tu Allah wski azmeash k liye Allah kisi ka nuqsan ker sakta ha


agar wo kamyab ho jaye tu wska jado Allah k hukam k baghaire bhi asar kr jye matlab yeh ha jab keh wo jado kerta ha tu Allah ws k jado(dhokhay) k zaryeh logon k azmesh k liye jado k waqti tore pr kisi k nuqsan kr sakta ha or Allah ws k jado k asar ko zayal bhi kr deta ha apny bandon ko batany k liye k wo jhoota ha or mein he sacha hn

matlab yeh k jo hota ha Allah ki taraf sy hota ha ws k jado mein asar nahi allah logon k azmesh k liye aesa krta ha

.BZU.

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jado ghar k jado mein asar nahi ha magar Allah chahy tu kisi ki azmaesh k liye jesy booton k pooja kerny walon ko booton sy ata kerta ha aesy he jado mein beshak asar nahi ha magr agr koi jado kerwata ha tu Allah wski azmeash k liye Allah kisi ka nuqsan ker sakta ha

Jaisay Button ki poja karnay say bhi Allah deta hay.(button ki poja krnay say koi faida nahi milta). aur Jadogar kay jado say bhi jo kuch ho ja ay tu wo bhi Allah ki taraf say hota hay (jadogar kay mantar janater say kuch asar/farq nahi hota)...

tu Agar hum man lain kay jadogar kay jado main asar ho giya hay tu. yeh bhi baat manana farz ho jati hay kay Button ki poja karnay main bhi asar ho jata hay... tu button ki poja krnay main aur jadogar kay jado main asar main kia farq ho giya. Dono Allah ka shareek ho gay ... ----.. aur banao Allah kay shareek

So please take care of this dear...

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matlab yeh k jo hota ha Allah ki taraf sy hota ha ws k jado mein asar nahi allah logon k azmesh k liye aesa krta ha

jo bhi karta hay Allah karta hay. Jaisay button ki poja say Bout kuch nahi kar saktay aisi trah Jadogar (aik bebas kafir shakhas) kuchh bhi nahi kar sakta,na hei kisi ko bemaar kar sakta hay, aur na hei kisi ko takleef day saktaha hay. na hei miyan biwi main judai daal sakta hay (Jaisa ka albaqra 102 main hay kay jadomanter say wo kuch nahi kar saktay thay). na hei jadogar kisi ko pagal kar sakta hay.na hei jadogar lakri ko saanp bana sakta hay(Jaisa kay Altaha 69 main hay kay, firoon kay jadogaron ka fareeb tha. aur us dhokay ki waja say lakriyan goya door rahi thein)...


Aur Allah loogon ko azmaish main dalnay kay li ay karta hay . but loog azmaish samjhnay ki baja ay us par emaan lay aatay hain kay . is jado main asar ho giya hay. Button ki poja karnay say butt naoazbillah dena shuru kar detay hain.. etc...

Please believe on Allah...

---------- Post added at 01:39 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:48 AM ----------

Oper yeh man letay ho kay kay jado main asar nahi hota, jo karta hay Allah karta hay..

phir idhar dobara yehi kehnay say kia murad hay kay jado kay zariay sab kuch hota hay...
phir wohi baat kardi kay jado kay zariya asar hogiyaa...

Beshak Allah kisi ka muhtaaj nahi. na kisi insan ka, na kisi peer ka, na kisi jadogar kay manter ka, na kisi Bout ka...
Allah ka hukum ho jo kuch marzi ho ja ay. jadogar ka koi mantar bhi nahi Allah ko force nahi kar sakta.

Ufff...yeh doghala policy kiyon?........ had hoti hay bhai...



Firoon kay jadogaron nay tu maan lia tha kay jado main koi asar nahi hay.un ka apna kia giya jado sirf dhoka fareeb tha, isliay wo tu sajday main gir paray thay. But afsoos, Ajj ki ummat... phir kehti hay kay hum tu muslim ummat hay. humaray opper zalzalay kiyon aatay hain. humary opper khud kush hamlay kiyon hotay hain...

Muzammil

Aap logon ne 6 pages bhar diye aur baat wahin ki wahin hai.. me yeh thread rozana dekhta hoon but samajh nahi paa raha ki ho kya raha hai.. now its time to close this thread bcoz hum logon se sirf galtiyan ho rahi hain.. aur kuch nahi.. is thread me yahan tak keh diya gaya ki NAOZOBILLAH MOHAMMED S.W per jadoo hua tha.. sad.. very sad..

so before closing this thread i also want to share my opinion on this matter..

About Musa Allehsalaam and feron ke jadoogar..
Dekho yeh baat to saaf hai ki jaan dalna sirf aur sirf allah ki sifat hai aur uske ilawa sir isa ib-n-marium ke paas yeh tha ki woh murdon ko zinda ker sakte the and woh bhi sirf allah ka mojozah tha woh apni marzi se ya apni quwwat se kisi ko bhi zinda nahi kerte the ya kersakte the.. no never.. then firon ke jadoogar kaisi laakdi ko saanp bana sakte hain..? its not possible at all.. koi kaise kisi bejaan cheez me jaan dal sakta hai.. kya unke paas bhi naozobillah koi maujizaah tha..? agar yeh kisi ka yaqeen hai ki firon ke jadugaron ne saanp banaye the then sorry to say but aap ko abhi tauba kerni chahiye bcause aap ko sochna chahiye ki aap kya kehna cah rahe ho aap kehna chah rahe ho ki allah ki ilawa ek mamooli banda jo ki mushrik tha kisi bejaan cheez me jaan daal sakta hai.. no way.. SIRF ALLAH KI SIFAT HAI JAAN DALNA USKE ILAWA SIRF ISA A.S KE PAAS YEH MOJIZAAH THA and duniya me na koi uske ilawa kisi bejaan cheez me jaan daal sakta hai na jaan daal sakega.. THATS ALL..

About Jaado ka asar..
let me explain yahan baat kya ho rahi hai.. ki jaado ka sara hota hai ya nahi.. saaf line hai and jawab saaf hai no. NO WAY.. Quraan me hur jagah likha hai ki jaado sirf ek FAREB hai fareb lafz ka meaning kya hota hai..? its mean ki dhoka.. means ki nazar ka dhoka jiska real me koi wajood nahi hai.. sorry me yahan galat misaal de raha hoon allah taala mujhe muaaf kare is ke liye but yahan me aaj ki duniya ki misaal de raha hoon kabhi AXN T.V dekho usme world biggest megician screts ek programe aata hai usme dikhaya jaata hai ki jaadoo jaisi koi cheez nahi hoti woh sirf trick and aankh ka dhoka hai.. jab woh non muslim yeh mante hain then hame yeh manne me itni dikkat kyon hoti hai.. jab ki aaj se 1400 saal pehle hi hame bataya gaya tha ki jadoo sirf EK FAREB HAI aur kuch nahi.. now come on to jadoogar kuch nahi ker sakte but allah chahe to uska asar ho jaata hai.. then why you people saying that jadoo ka asar hua..? yeh jadoo ka asar hai..? ab yeh tasauur karo ki non muslim ek paththar se mangte hain woh mangte hain us paththar se but deta to allah taala hi hai na.. then yeh kyon nahi maana jaata ki paththar deta hai..? yeh bhi to usi tarah hua na jis tarah kaha jaa raha hai yahan ki jadoogar apne se to kuch nahi kerta but allah chahe to nuksaan hota hai.. to yeh manne me kya dikkat hai ki jadoo ek fareb hai usse kuch nahi hota jo bura hota hai woh allah ki taraf se hota hai.. baat bohot clear hai but manne aur na manne ka farq hai.. jab hum yeh nahi maan sakte ki paththar se koi fayda ya nuksaan hota hai then yeh kaise maan sakte hain ki jadoo se nuksaan hota hai..? NAHI MAAN SAKTE AND MANNA BHI NAHI CHAHIYE.. Jadoo sirf ek fareb hai bus. aur jo baatien logon ko pata hai ki kisi ne kisi per jadoo kia yeh sab bakwas hai.. yeh saabit kaise ho raha hai..? kisi ke ghar me koi problem hai.. koi bimaar rehta hai bohot kisi ka bussiness nahi chal raha to woh yeh nahi sochta ki pata nahi mujhse aisa kya gunah hua ki allah mujhse naraz hai humare ghar me log theek se namaz parh rahe hain ya nahi hamare ghar me quraan ki tilawat ho rahi hai ya nahi.. humne kisi ka huq to nahi maar liya na.. humse koi galti nahi ho gayi na jiski wajah se yeh pareshani ALLAH ki taraf se aagayi.. but nahi woh jayenge maulana ke paas ya kisi mufti ke paas poochne and woh batayenge ki aap ko isliye pareshani hai ya aap ke ghar me is liye bimaari hai bcoz aap per kisi ne jadoo ker diya hai and woh bhi kaun aap ke rishtedar.. 99% logon per rishtedaron ne jadoo kia hota hai.. yeh kaise mumkin hai..? yeh is liye ki hamara imaan bohot kamzor hai hum khud apne dil me hasad rakhte hai hum khud yeh sochte hain ki hamare rishtedaar hamara achcha nahi dekh paa rahe hain.. isiliye woh molvi aisa bolte hain and hum maan lete hain.. GREAT.. yeh kyon nahi sochte bhai sahab ki agar koi pareshani aayi hai to allah se tauba karein aur apne aap ka jaiza lein ki humse kahan galti hui..

So thats clear ki jaadoo jaisi koi cheez nahi hai and us time musa A.S ke samne jadoogar ne koi saanp paida nahi kia yeh ho hi nahi sakta..

And last me my humble request to all of them who believe ki firon ke jadoogaron ne saanp banaye the.. aap log gaur se is cheez per sochiye and jald se jald tauba kijiye..JAAN DALNA SIRF ALLAH KI SIFAT HAI AND USKE ILAWA DUNIYA ME SIRF ISA A.S KE PAAS YEH MAUJIZA THA KI WOH ALLAH KE HUQM SE I REPEAT KI ALLAH KE HUQM SE LOGON KO ZINDA KERTE THE APNI MARZI SE KISI KO ZINDA NAHI KERTE THE..

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REASON: YAHAN AYETON KI AUR ALLAH KE QURAN KI BE HURMATI HO RAHI HAI