usman_latif_ch

han na yeh Allah ny nahi kaha mein bhi nahi keh raha hn mein poch raha hn na ap sy agr wo dhokha tha tu kya Allah k nabi dhokha kha gye thy? kyoun k jado tu dhokha ha unhon ny jado kiya or jado sy wo strings Hazrat moosa ko snacks nazar any lag gye

Allah ny kaha ha jado dhokha ha han mein bhi manta hn jado dhokha ha or mein yeh bhi manta hn kyoun k Allah ny he yeh bhi kaha ha k agr allah chahy tu nuqsan ka hukam dy sakta ha

Allah ny kahin nahi kaha jado agar koi kary ga tu mein wski wajha sy kisi ka nuqsan nahi hony donga Allah ny kaha ha k agr Allah chahy tu nuqsan ka hukam dy sakta ha

or abhi apny iss ki apni interpretation nahi batai

Ap ajkal khud sy interpretations kr rahy hain tu mein ny yeh janana ha k iss aeyat mein wo kya cheez ha jis sy mian biwi mein tafarqa dal deti ha...... jado trick ha ha wo tu ap k nazdeeq nahi kuch kerta kyoun k Allah ny ap sy shaid wada liya ha k mein jado ghar(dhokhay baz) agr jado(dhokha) kary ga tu mein kisi ki azmaesh k liye kisi ka nuqsan nahi hony doonga kyoun k mein ny nuqsan hony diya tu shaid phir jado ghar kamyab ho jye or jab keh mein ny kaha ha wo kamyab nahi hoga......?

.BZU.

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Ap ajkal khud sy interpretations kr rahy hain tu mein ny yeh janana ha k iss aeyat mein wo kya cheez ha jis sy mian biwi mein tafarqa dal deti ha......

Wo loog kehtay thay kay is say Miyan biwi main tafarqa ho jata hay , (is ilam say)...
But yeh un kay li ay nuqsaan deh tha. because yeh sirf kufar tha.. aur kufar har kisi kay li ay nuqsaan deh hota hay.. aaj nahi tu qiyamat walay din zaror nuqsaan deh hay...
But Allah nay kia kaha hay... yeh bhi tu parho na aap....






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Jab jadogar apnay jado say Kisi ko ghar baithay hei nuksaan (phisically effect) pohuncha sakta hay tu . Yeh kiyon nay mantay kay jadogar kamiyab ho jata hay. (Agar jadogar ka maqsad hei kisi ko physical effect karna ho ? tu kia Allah usay physically effect karnay day ga.. aap kay concept kay mutbiq zaror karnay day ga. aur us time Allah yeh bhool ja ay ga main nay Quran main yeh likha hay kay yeh beiman shakhas kamiyab nahi ho sakta )

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Originally Posted by usman_latif_ch kaise mantr thy jo unko nuqsan he ponchty thy faida nahi......

Mantar Allah nay quran majeed main nahi likhay tu mujhay kia pata hoga. yahan kay yahoodi jo bhi mantar kartay thay . Allah nay un ki baat ki hay kay wo jo mantar kartay thay.

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Originally Posted by usman_latif_ch jesy hindu buton sy mangty hain magr deta tu allah he ha na tu kya wo bhookhy marty hain wo tu apny bhagwanon sy mangty hain tu kya unko nahi milta kuch, milta ha na or deta tu allah he ha na

hmm...
tu hindon ka aqeeda bhi sahi huya na. Is trah tu bhagwan bhi jo marzi aa ay kar sakta hay na... tu aap un kay aqeeda ko kiyon nahi mantay. jab aap yeh baat maan rhay ho kay Jadogar bhi Allah ki marzi say kar sakta hay...


Ghoor karo: Quran main tu Allah nay saaf saaf keh diya kay jadogar koi nuksan nahi pohuccha saktay. kisi ko effect nahi kar skaty .. aap kehtay ho kay kar saktay hain... Right..

Jabkay Allah nay quran main Bhagwan kay rizaq dene ya na dene ki koi baat bhi nahi ki. aap un ka aqeeda phir kiyon ghalat maantay hain..



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Molvi peer tu phir bhi Allah ki di hoi kitab ko (jiska Allah say relation tu hay kay Allah pak ki taraf say bheiji gai hay) taweez banatay hain. Phir bhi un ki logic banti hay. Aur Allah nay quran main taweez karna kahein par ghalat nahi kaha.. (But Hadees kay mutabiq yeh ghalat hay)

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Jadogar ka jado (Mafooqul Asbaab jadoo). ka tu zara sa bhi Allah kay saath koi relation nahi hota hay. Because jadogar yeh bakwas kartay hain kay . yeh sab ham nay khud hei kia hay.jaisa ka Firon kay jadogar. unhon nay yeh tu nahi bola tha na kay yeh Allah ki madad say hoga.wo tu yeh mantay bhi nahi thay kay Allah hay. phir jab unhain pata chala kay wo haar gay hain tu tab unhon nay kaha kay hum Mosa aur Haroon kay rab ko mantay hain.
is say saaf pata chal jaata hay kay jadoo gar khud apnay aap ko yeh manta hay kay wo apni mari say jo kuch chahay kar sakta hay...

even kay Allah nay quran majeed main farma bhi diya kay yeh sab ghalat hay.yeh sab un ka shubada tha.fareeb tha. aur na hei is say koi nafa nuqsaan ho sakta hay.

By the way aap ki interpretation say yeh baat sabit hoti hay kay dunia main Allah nay Kafir Jadogar ko har kaam karnay ki taqat di hay. jab kay Allah kay siwa kisi aur hasati main har kaam karnay ki taqat man lena kufar aur shirk hay... But meri interpretation say aisa bilkul nahi sabit hota kay Allah ka koi sharek hay.

Abh agay aap ki marzi hay aur aap ka concept ... main nay jitna samjhana tha samjha diya. Allah hum sab ko Sacha paka muslim bana ay...

Raheel

Asalam-o-Alaikum to all here,

Mene yeh poora thread read kiya hay lekin me ap dono (BZU, USMAN) ka moqaf nahi samajh paya will u please explain k app ka moqaf kiya hay is behes ka ? takay muje bhi samajh me aye ke kiya sahi hay or kiya galat.

Regards

momna gull

hame hamesha ye bataya gaya hai k Allah logon ko un k eeemaan un k aqeeday k mutabiq ata karta hai
hindu pooja paat buton ki kertay hain lekin dene wala Allah hi hai
bus ye insaan hi hai jo chahe to Allah se barahe raast maangey ya us main shirk keray bus Insan ko samjh lena chahiye k yehi direct or indirect ka farq ko samajhna hi usay sahi raastay per chala sakta hai

issi tarha chahey koi jaadoogar apnay aap ko kitna bhi azeem keh le us ka jaadoo uswaqt tk nahi chal sakta jab tk Allah na chahy ager koi jaadoogar ye kehta hai k us k jaadoo mai badi taqat hai to usay ye samaj lena chahiye k ye us ki taqat nahi balkay Allah ta'Ala ki taraf se milne wali choot hai or us ki grift roz e akhir zaroor ho gi
mera ye yaqin hai k is puri kaainaat k koi haqeer zarra bhi Allah ta'Ala ki raza k baghair apni jaga se nahi hil sakta chahey koi jadoogar kitni bhi taqat lagaley

usman_latif_ch

yeh interpretation tu apki ha k wo kehty thy iss aeyat mein tu yeh kahin nahi likha...? yeh tu bilkul apki tahir ul qadri wali interpretations hain

dus bar ghore sy perhain keh iss aeyat mein allah kya farma rahy hain Allah ny yeh nahi kaha k wo kehty thy

"Or wo dono unko kuch nahi seekhtay thy jab tk keh yeh na keh dayn k ham "zeryah e azmaesh" hain tum koofar mein na pero' garz log insy aesa jado seekhty jis sy mian biwi mein judai dal dayn or Allah k hukam k siwa iss (jado) sy kisi ka kuch nahi bigar sakty thy or kuch aesy (mantar) seekhty jo inko nuqsan he pohchty or kuch faida nahi or jis cheez k eewaaz unhon ny apni jaanon ko baich dala wo buri thi. kash wo iss bat ko janty

yeh Allah keh raha ha garz log insy aesa jado seekhty jis sy mian biwi mein judai dal dayn translation tu wazeh ha bikul

.BZU.

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Originally Posted by usman_latif_ch yeh interpretation tu apki ha k wo kehty thy iss aeyat mein tu yeh kahin nahi likha...? yeh tu bilkul apki tahir ul qadri wali interpretations hain dus bar ghore sy perhain keh iss aeyat mein allah kya farma rahy hain Allah ny yeh nahi kaha k wo kehty thy "Or wo dono unko kuch nahi seekhtay thy jab tk keh yeh na keh dayn k ham "zeryah e azmaesh" hain tum koofar mein na pero' garz log insy aesa jado seekhty jis sy mian biwi mein judai dal dayn or Allah k hukam k siwa iss (jado) sy kisi ka kuch nahi bigar sakty thy or kuch aesy (mantar) seekhty jo inko nuqsan he pohchty or kuch faida nahi or jis cheez k eewaaz unhon ny apni jaanon ko baich dala wo buri thi. kash wo iss bat ko janty yeh Allah keh raha ha garz log insy aesa jado seekhty jis sy mian biwi mein judai dal dayn translation tu wazeh ha bikul

Hence Proved.

Allah tala nay Farishton kay zare ay Salemaan A.S ki qoom par Kufar aur jadoo nazil kia...
Aur Allah nay Islam nahi jado nazil farmaya tha.....

usman_latif_ch

Allah chahy tu ho sakta ha or yeh kamyabi ha kya...... k wska jado Allah chahy tu kisi ka nuksan kr dy jab keh Allah ny wski nakami rakhi ha agar wo jado asar nahi ker sakta tu kamyabi ka kehny ka swal he paida nahi hota Allah ny kyoun kaha k wo kamyab nahi ho sakta iss liye kaha k wo agar muqabaly k liye aye tu Allah he kamyab hoga wo nahi jesa k Hazrat Moosa k qasay mein hwa
agar sirf dhokha ha tu kamyabi or nakami ka sawal he nahi paida hota kyoun k ha he dhokha kya dhokha kamyab b ho sakta ha

BSIT07-01

Just read this book Qissa Haroot Maroot Aur Jadoo Ki Haqeqat Surah Albaqrah ayat 102(Islamic Book) What is Magic ? Urdu...

usman_latif_ch

duniya k tamam ilm Allah k siwa koi nahi nazil kerta na kr sakta ha na he Allah k hukam k elawa koi kuch kr sakta ha
yahan tk k sans bhi nahi ly sakta

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I have read many like these....
Almost many of the different school of thoughts

.BZU.

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Originally Posted by usman_latif_ch Allah chahy tu ho sakta ha or yeh kamyabi ha kya...... k wska jado Allah chahy tu kisi ka nuksan kr dy jab keh Allah ny wski nakami rakhi ha agar wo jado asar nahi ker sakta tu kamyabi ka kehny ka swal he paida nahi hota Allah ny kyoun kaha k wo kamyab nahi ho sakta iss liye kaha k wo agar muqabaly k liye aye tu Allah he kamyab hoga wo nahi jesa k Hazrat Moosa k qasay mein hwa agar sirf dhokha ha tu kamyabi or nakami ka sawal he nahi paida hota kyoun k ha he dhokha kya dhokha kamyab b ho sakta ha

yeh sab tu aap keh rahay ho ....
kay jadogar kamiyab ho sakta hay....

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yeh tu trick tha na mein jado ki bat kr raha hn yeh tu apny khud he proov kr diya trick ha laqin jado aesa nahi hota wska physical effect hota ha

Jab jadogar apnay jado say Kisi ko ghar baithay hei nuksaan (phisically effect) pohuncha sakta hay tu . Yeh kiyon nay mantay kay jadogar kamiyab ho jata hay. (Agar jadogar ka maqsad hei kisi ko physical effect karna ho ? tu kia Allah usay physically effect karnay day ga.. aap kay concept kay mutbiq zaror karnay day ga. aur us time Allah yeh bhool ja ay ga main nay Quran main yeh likha hay kay yeh beiman shakhas kamiyab nahi ho sakta )