.BZU.

jab Allah nay keh diya hay kay jadogar kamiyab hei nahi ho sakta tu yeh baat khudbakhud aap ko pata chal jani chahiay kay wo kisi ko apnay jado mantar say nuqsaan bhi nahi pohuncha sakta...

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apny mujhy kaha tha wsdin aj mein apko kehta hn sary paisy mein deta hn mujhy trick kr k deikhow itnay sare azdahy mujhy nikal kr deikhow... trick sy kisi isan ko 2 hison mein kat kr phir join kr k deikhow joaw sb tricks krny waly ly aow mein bhi deikhna chahta hn wo trick kaisa ha phir mein yeh bhi deikhon trick kaise kiya wsny

yeh sab aap kay mutabiq ho jata hay.. aap khud kar kay dikhao na... mere zima kiyon laga rahay ho... main nay tu nahi kaha kay hota hay aisa... aur na hei quran main kaha giya hay kay azdhay thay.. quran main tu baar baar kaha giya hay kay yeh jadogar ka fareeb tha. nahi man na tu na mano. mujhay is say koi farq nahi parta... abh mujhay mazeed quran ki ayat qoute karnay ki zarorat nahi hay.. aap in ko maan hei nahi rahay tu aur ayat ko tu pata nahi kia kia kaho gay..

sirf yeh proov dainay kay li ay kay... Firon kay Kafir jaodgaron nay.. Azdaha bana li ay thay. aur Allah ka yeh kehna ghalat hay ..


Kay firon kay jadogaron nay fareeb (dhoka diya kia tha)


Yeh mosa A.S kay mojza kay baray main hay.. kay kia yeh Haq Jado hay?

usman_latif_ch

apny kaha na jado nahi hota trick(dhokha) hota ha tu mein jado nahi trick ki he bat kr raha hn trick kr k deikhow na phir mein sabit kronga yeh trick nahi ha nazar ka dhokha nahi ha...

tum trick sy mere samny sanp banana phir batana kaise banaye hain kyoun k trick hoga tu wska koi tareeqa bhi hoga na wo mujhy batana ok
ap itnay sare samp ek sath apni pocket mein chupa lena
yan trick sy kisi ko half kr k deikhna yeh tricks tu hoty hain na magic shows mein tu kr k deikhna mein phir sabit karon ga trick nahi ha yeh...

BSIT07-01

ok ji Nikalo Paisay ... hahaha

I should not post these videos in Islam Section ...but still posting for you ...

See at 3:20 ....

usman_latif_ch

aesi videos mein jado kr k tu mein bhi deikha sakta hn ( jado tricks nahi) tu kya mujhy bhi paisy do gy ...

All of the above videos are being performed through some special arrangments and thats are tricks every one know

and i believe too that tricks can be done but
their is a lot difference b/w trick and magic through some knowledge

ap k mutabiq jado sirf trick ha laqin mein yeh kehta hn jado ghar jado kr sakta ha without these tricky arrangments laqin ws ka jado Allah ki merzi k baghir asar nahi kerta laqin agar Allah chahy tu asar kr bhi sakta ha

yehi tu mein ap sy pochna chahta hn k agr firoan ny sirf dhokha diya tha tu kya Hazrat Musa (A.S) bhi ws k tricks sy dhokha kha gye?

agar wo snacks sirf nazar ka dhokha tha tu Moosa (A.S) k assa sy bany azdahy ny kis cheez ko nigla, agar wo sb azdahy nazar ka dhokha thy tu moosa (A.S) kyoun dary or Allah ny un k assa ko azdaha bana kr wo dhokhay walu snaks ko kyoun nigla...

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yani Allah chahy dhokha nuqsan kr sakta ha is it?

BSIT07-01

Pehli baat ...

Aap nay kaha Keh Insaan ko kaat kar doobara Milanay wala Jado dikhao ... us ki asliyat aap nay daikh li ...

doosri baat ...

Aap keh rahay ho keh jado allah ki marzi say kaam karta hay .. woh tu sab kuchh allah ki marzi say hota hay ... iss tarah tu main bhi keh doon keh main ghar main baithay baithay fallan kaam kar sakta hoon ... Lakin agar Allah Chahay tu ho jaye ga aur agar allah na chahy tu nahi ho ga ... Tu kia yeh jadoo ho ga?

Kia Jadoogar yeh kehta hay keh Allah Nay chaha tu hoga ? wo tu yeh kehtay hain keh humaray ammal say hoga ...

Agar kehtay ho keh jadoo gar kay amal main asar hay tu phir peeroon kay amal main bhi asar hona chahiay... They also do similar things... don't they?




Unhoon nay rasiyan aur lathiyan phaikein ... Saanp nahi thay woh (might be acting like snakes) ... As far I know they were just moving like snakes ...

Aur next ayat kay end main likha hua hay "Un kay jhotay shobdoon ko"

Any correction will be accepted ...


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No, It could be interpreted like that ...

Aik jadoogar nay kaha keh yeh banda iss din mar jaye ga ...

Aur Allah nay bhi uss banday kay marnay ka hukm day dia ho ...

Tu kia Allah us jadoogar ko jhoota karnay kay liay apna hukm change kar dain ?

Banda maray ga tu Allah kay hi hukm say But jadoogar kahay ga keh us ki waja say hua hay, Agar woh apnay Amal na karta tu banda na marta ...

usman_latif_ch

yeh tu trick tha na mein jado ki bat kr raha hn yeh tu apny khud he proov kr diya trick ha laqin jado aesa nahi hota wska physical effect hota ha

Surat Al Baqra Aeyat no 102

"Or wo dono unko kuch nahi seekhtay thy jab tk keh yeh na keh dayn k ham "zeryah e azmaesh" hain tum koofar mein na pero' garz log insy aesa jado seekhty jis sy mian biwi mein judai dal dayn or Allah k hukam k siwa iss (jado) sy kisi ka kuch nahi bigar sakty thy or kuch aesy (mantar) seekhty jo inko nuqsan he pohchty or kuch faida nahi or jis cheez k eewaaz unhon ny apni jaanon ko baich dala wo buri thi. kash wo iss bat ko janty

kya cheez thi jo mian biwi mein tafarqa dalti yeh kis k bare mein kaha gaya ha trick k bary mein ?

kaise mantr thy jo unko nuqsan he ponchty thy faida nahi......

ap sy pochon ga kya yeh trick hoga?
(nahi na jado na trick)

kya ap khana khany sy pehly , kisi ko koi bat kerny sy pehly yeh kehty ho k agar allah chahy tu yeh kam hoga ya nahi tu kya ap shirk kerty ho?


han unhon ny rasiyan phanki or they were acting like snaks but yeh tu wahan hwa na mein ny ap sy pocha kya nabi ki nazar ws trick sy dhokha kha gai or dar gai kya?




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jado ghar ny kaha banda mar jye ga tu kya allah logon ki azmesh k liye wski bat ko sach nahi ke sakta?

jesy hindu buton sy mangty hain magr deta tu allah he ha na tu kya wo bhookhy marty hain wo tu apny bhagwanon sy mangty hain tu kya unko nahi milta kuch, milta ha na or deta tu allah he ha na

yehi tu bat ha na interpretation ka he tu sara masla ha quran ki interpretation youn nahi ho sakti na aesy tu hr koi apni he kary ga na
ok apny yeh interpretation ki ha mein yeh kerta hn faisla kn kary ga sahi ha yan galay
yaqeenan sahi ahadees he karain gy or apny sahi ahadees ko he apni interpretation sy takra kr galat kr diya tu ab phir ab....?(larai he larai)

jadu (according to you dhokha) kisi ko nuqsan nahi poncha sakta magar siwaye iss k Allah he ws nuqsan ka hukam dy dye.

.BZU.

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han unhon ny rasiyan phanki or they were acting like snaks but yeh tu wahan hwa na mein ny ap sy pocha kya nabi ki nazar ws trick sy dhokha kha gai or dar gai kya?

Yeh baat aap Allah say pocho kay Allah nay kiyon kaha aisa... kay jadoo is k siwa kuch nahi sirf yehi kay yeh jadogar ka fareeb hay... Yeh quran main kaafi baar aya hay...
Is kay ilawa Allah nay yeh nahi bataya kay Allah kay nabi ko dhoka ho giya tha....
yeh tu aap khud say hei keh rahay ho ...

usman_latif_ch

han na yeh Allah ny nahi kaha mein bhi nahi keh raha hn mein poch raha hn na ap sy agr wo dhokha tha tu kya Allah k nabi dhokha kha gye thy? kyoun k jado tu dhokha ha unhon ny jado kiya or jado sy wo strings Hazrat moosa ko snacks nazar any lag gye

Allah ny kaha ha jado dhokha ha han mein bhi manta hn jado dhokha ha or mein yeh bhi manta hn kyoun k Allah ny he yeh bhi kaha ha k agr allah chahy tu nuqsan ka hukam dy sakta ha

Allah ny kahin nahi kaha jado agar koi kary ga tu mein wski wajha sy kisi ka nuqsan nahi hony donga Allah ny kaha ha k agr Allah chahy tu nuqsan ka hukam dy sakta ha

or abhi apny iss ki apni interpretation nahi batai

Ap ajkal khud sy interpretations kr rahy hain tu mein ny yeh janana ha k iss aeyat mein wo kya cheez ha jis sy mian biwi mein tafarqa dal deti ha...... jado trick ha ha wo tu ap k nazdeeq nahi kuch kerta kyoun k Allah ny ap sy shaid wada liya ha k mein jado ghar(dhokhay baz) agr jado(dhokha) kary ga tu mein kisi ki azmaesh k liye kisi ka nuqsan nahi hony doonga kyoun k mein ny nuqsan hony diya tu shaid phir jado ghar kamyab ho jye or jab keh mein ny kaha ha wo kamyab nahi hoga......?

.BZU.

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Ap ajkal khud sy interpretations kr rahy hain tu mein ny yeh janana ha k iss aeyat mein wo kya cheez ha jis sy mian biwi mein tafarqa dal deti ha......

Wo loog kehtay thay kay is say Miyan biwi main tafarqa ho jata hay , (is ilam say)...
But yeh un kay li ay nuqsaan deh tha. because yeh sirf kufar tha.. aur kufar har kisi kay li ay nuqsaan deh hota hay.. aaj nahi tu qiyamat walay din zaror nuqsaan deh hay...
But Allah nay kia kaha hay... yeh bhi tu parho na aap....






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Jab jadogar apnay jado say Kisi ko ghar baithay hei nuksaan (phisically effect) pohuncha sakta hay tu . Yeh kiyon nay mantay kay jadogar kamiyab ho jata hay. (Agar jadogar ka maqsad hei kisi ko physical effect karna ho ? tu kia Allah usay physically effect karnay day ga.. aap kay concept kay mutbiq zaror karnay day ga. aur us time Allah yeh bhool ja ay ga main nay Quran main yeh likha hay kay yeh beiman shakhas kamiyab nahi ho sakta )

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Originally Posted by usman_latif_ch kaise mantr thy jo unko nuqsan he ponchty thy faida nahi......

Mantar Allah nay quran majeed main nahi likhay tu mujhay kia pata hoga. yahan kay yahoodi jo bhi mantar kartay thay . Allah nay un ki baat ki hay kay wo jo mantar kartay thay.

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Originally Posted by usman_latif_ch jesy hindu buton sy mangty hain magr deta tu allah he ha na tu kya wo bhookhy marty hain wo tu apny bhagwanon sy mangty hain tu kya unko nahi milta kuch, milta ha na or deta tu allah he ha na

hmm...
tu hindon ka aqeeda bhi sahi huya na. Is trah tu bhagwan bhi jo marzi aa ay kar sakta hay na... tu aap un kay aqeeda ko kiyon nahi mantay. jab aap yeh baat maan rhay ho kay Jadogar bhi Allah ki marzi say kar sakta hay...


Ghoor karo: Quran main tu Allah nay saaf saaf keh diya kay jadogar koi nuksan nahi pohuccha saktay. kisi ko effect nahi kar skaty .. aap kehtay ho kay kar saktay hain... Right..

Jabkay Allah nay quran main Bhagwan kay rizaq dene ya na dene ki koi baat bhi nahi ki. aap un ka aqeeda phir kiyon ghalat maantay hain..



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Molvi peer tu phir bhi Allah ki di hoi kitab ko (jiska Allah say relation tu hay kay Allah pak ki taraf say bheiji gai hay) taweez banatay hain. Phir bhi un ki logic banti hay. Aur Allah nay quran main taweez karna kahein par ghalat nahi kaha.. (But Hadees kay mutabiq yeh ghalat hay)

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Jadogar ka jado (Mafooqul Asbaab jadoo). ka tu zara sa bhi Allah kay saath koi relation nahi hota hay. Because jadogar yeh bakwas kartay hain kay . yeh sab ham nay khud hei kia hay.jaisa ka Firon kay jadogar. unhon nay yeh tu nahi bola tha na kay yeh Allah ki madad say hoga.wo tu yeh mantay bhi nahi thay kay Allah hay. phir jab unhain pata chala kay wo haar gay hain tu tab unhon nay kaha kay hum Mosa aur Haroon kay rab ko mantay hain.
is say saaf pata chal jaata hay kay jadoo gar khud apnay aap ko yeh manta hay kay wo apni mari say jo kuch chahay kar sakta hay...

even kay Allah nay quran majeed main farma bhi diya kay yeh sab ghalat hay.yeh sab un ka shubada tha.fareeb tha. aur na hei is say koi nafa nuqsaan ho sakta hay.

By the way aap ki interpretation say yeh baat sabit hoti hay kay dunia main Allah nay Kafir Jadogar ko har kaam karnay ki taqat di hay. jab kay Allah kay siwa kisi aur hasati main har kaam karnay ki taqat man lena kufar aur shirk hay... But meri interpretation say aisa bilkul nahi sabit hota kay Allah ka koi sharek hay.

Abh agay aap ki marzi hay aur aap ka concept ... main nay jitna samjhana tha samjha diya. Allah hum sab ko Sacha paka muslim bana ay...

Raheel

Asalam-o-Alaikum to all here,

Mene yeh poora thread read kiya hay lekin me ap dono (BZU, USMAN) ka moqaf nahi samajh paya will u please explain k app ka moqaf kiya hay is behes ka ? takay muje bhi samajh me aye ke kiya sahi hay or kiya galat.

Regards