Hadees Nabvi, Allah nay Muqadar banaya aur usi nay jo chaha kiya.... - Page 2

12-08-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by usman_latif_ch

Pehli bat tu yeh ha k....
Agar yeh sb authentic ahadeees hain tu inka reference bhi plz quote karain kisi bhi bat per hadith likh deny say wo hadees nahi ho jati or sath plz kisi bhi asal hadees ko apni wording mein likh kr wsko hadees nahi kehna chaheya hadees apni asal wording mein likhni chaheya jesy ki waise he. or ap ko pata ha yeh kitna bara gunnah ha k kisi bhi bat per bina jany hadith likh dena...
ap in hadith ka reference quote karian or jahan tk bat ha inki tu yeh hamari baton ka jawab tu nahi hwa unka jawab tu dayn jo mein ny quran ki aeyat ko quote kien hain....

haan baat kuch aur ho rahi hay . aur answer tu apnay hei di ay ja rahay hain, jo dimagh main feed hain..

Uzma ko itni saari Qurani Ayat par Imaan nahi hay... but un Wrong Ahadees par bara beleive hay...

This shows that She want to say .. kay Allah nay Quran Nahi utarna chahi ay tha. Bas Wrong ahadess in kay li ay kaafi hain...

Uzma.. Just answer .. kay quran majeed Allah nay kis li ay utara hay. Aur yeh bhi answer do kay Oper usman nay jo Ayat Likhi hain . kiya yah na aoz billah Jhooti hain? because you do not want to beleive on them.

Yes we know kay aap SAW ki Baaqi Nabi say ziyda fazilat hay...
But iss trah say nahi jis trah aap biyan kar rahy ho.. Kay Nabi say maango. App SAW dosaray prophets ko rizq detay thay...

Islam main Jhoot bolti ho. Because Allah aur App Saw kehtay hain kay Sirf Allah hei aisa karta hay.....

Agar koi banda aisa kehta hay ., mera nahi khiyal kay wo muslim ho ga.

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Christen bhi kehtay hain kay Essa. A.S Allah kay barabar hain. agar aap un ko muslim nahi kehtay tu . wo bhi muslim nahi hay . Jo yeh kahay kay Allah kay piyaray Rasool Muhammad SAW ki fazilat Allah kay barabar hain.
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Jo Muslim nahi hay . wo jahanam main jalay ga. abh agay maerzi hay....

13-08-2009, 09:18 AM

Mam above quote ki hoe hadith mae ye kaha kis jaga per Mein ne
Mention kia hai k
1-Hazoor (S.A.A.W) tmam Nabio ko rizk detay hain?
2-Mein ne kab kaha hai k usman ne jo ayat ka refr. dia hai
wo wrong hai?
3-Above hadith mae kon c shirk wali baat hai ?
4-kab kaha k Hazoor (S.A.A.W) ka Rutba Na aoz billah Allah k braber hai

just clear that points

Usman g ofcourse i will give u all refr. bcz all r athantic
i feel no shame & fear to describe it all ok
now i m out of city Insha Allah after coming back i will give u refr.
about till Monday.
or post ka start kindly aik dafa or ghor se with full attention
parh lo ok
Nazia g baat se baat nikalna khob baat hai lekin abt Islam plz
think abt it. Baita g kisi pe kufer ka fatwa..............?
kehnay ko tu boht kuch hai bt ...............
sensibility se baat ko understand kerna or react krna
this is time requirment
& this is Islam say in the case of religious conversation.

13-08-2009, 02:56 PM

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Usman g ofcourse i will give u all refr. bcz all r athantic
i feel no shame & fear to describe it all ok

hmmm ....ok i am wait 4 this plz reference quote kar dayn or ek bat yeh bhi ap sy kahi thi k hadees k word apni language mein nahi balkeh waise he quote kiya karain...
kyoun k jesay apny hadees likhi hwi hain wo apki apni bat lag rahi ha may be thk hon apki batain laqin quotes zaroor karain mein verify kerna chahta hn or apko inka answer dena chahta hn...
or ek bat yeh bhi wazeh kar dayn ap in ahadees sy kya conclusion nikal kr batany ki kooshis ker rahi hain
kyoun k mein ny jo quranic aeyat quotes ki hain wo iss thread ki pic mein jo likha ha ws per hain or ws per hain jo kuch shirkiya lines nazia ny quotes ki thein

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or post ka start kindly aik dafa or ghor se with full attention
parh lo ok

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Haqeqat main daikho tu khawaja khuda hay , hameen dar pay khwaja kay sajda rawa hay.

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Bhar do jhhooli meri ya muhammad loot kar main na jaon ga khaali.

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Yasrab kay waali .. saaray nabi tere dar kay sawaali.

13-08-2009, 05:19 PM

Uzma aik banda kahay kay main yeh batain manta hon aur in ko true prove karnay kay li ay, kuch jhooti man gharat ahadees paish kar raha hon... ..

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Bhar do jhhooli meri ya muhammad loot kar main na jaon ga khaali.

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Yasrab kay waali .. saaray nabi tere dar kay sawaali.

Aur in batoon say Allah aur us ka rassol mana farma ay, ya koi bhi aisi baat ho jis ay App SAW nay mana farmaya ho.aur aik banda wo kaam karay ya us mana honi wali baat say mana na ho. tu kiya aap usay muslim bolo gi?

..
off course nahi bolo gi...
but tell me what is wrong kay agar main nay aisa bool diya tu?

is kay baad bhi abhi tak aap un Ahadees ko quraan majeed ki ayat kay muqablay main lanay ki koshish kar rahi ho...

jab wahan par yeh likha hei nahi huya hay then why you want to say this?

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Mam above quote ki hoe hadith mae ye kaha kis jaga per Mein ne
Mention kia hai k
1-Hazoor (S.A.A.W) tmam Nabio ko rizk detay hain?
2-Mein ne kab kaha hai k usman ne jo ayat ka refr. dia hai
wo wrong hai?
3-Above hadith mae kon c shirk wali baat hai ?
4-kab kaha k Hazoor (S.A.A.W) ka Rutba Na aoz billah Allah k braber hai

(Rizq dena means jo kuch Dossaray nabion. ko chahi ay hota tha tu wo nabi kay dar par sawal kartay thay aur un ko wo cheez mil jati thei. Chahi ay wo rizq ho chahay ay koi bhi madad . chahiye wo Mossa Kaleem Ullah (Allah say kalam karnay wala) ka Firoon say bach niklna ho ya chahi ay wo namrood ki jalai hoi aag ka Ibraheem A.S kay li ay Thandi ho jana ho) Aap kay mutabiq Muhammad S.A.W Jhooli bhar kay deta hay tu hum kehtay hain kay Allah tala aise karta hay. its means you want to say that kay Allah ki sifatPiyaray nabi kareem SAW main bhi hay...

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Then Hazrat Muhammad(S.A.A.W) said That star was i.

pehli Hadees ko maan na in sab ayata ka kufar hay.... zahir hay Allah ka nabi apni hadees main us baat kay against baat tu nahi kahay ga na jo Allah tabarak watala nay Quran paak main likh di ho.

Quote:

Surat Yousaf Aeyat No 109:

"Ap (S.A.W) sy pehlay hum ny mard he rasool bhejay or wo inhi bastiyuon k rehnay walay thay"

Surat Ibrahim Aeyat no 10

"unhon ny kaha k tum tu hum jesy he insan ho"

Surat Ibrahim Aeyat no 11

"In k peghamberon ny in sy kaha yeh tu sach ha k hum tum jesy insan hain"

Surat Al Ambiya Aeyat no 7

"or ap (S.A.W) sy qabal hum ny jitny rasool bhejay wo sb mard thy"

Surat Al kahaf Aeyat no 110

"(Aa Muhammad (SAW)) elan kr dijiye k mein tu tum jesa he ek insan hn"

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hazrat Adam & Hawa (A.S) ki toba some sentences ki adaigi k baad kabol hoe
when they use it in their Dua.This was la illah....

Hazrat Essa (A.S) ne Allah se Hazoor (S.A.A.w) k ommati bnnay ki dua ki thi ab wo AAp (S.A.A.W) k omati bn kr aiy gay or esayat ki nhi Islam ki
tableegh kray gay.

40 year tak aap SAW ghaar-e-hira main guzari, means 40 saal tak Aap SAW kay dunia main honay kay bawajood bhi pehlay jo deen aa raha tha...sab loog usi ko shirk kay saath mana kertay thay (mostly christen loog hongay shyad)

then 40 years ki ummar main aap SAW par Pehli wahi naazil hoi..

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Iqra bisme rabi qalazi khalaq...

tu tab Hamra deen-e-islam wajood main aya... Essa A.S nay ummti bannay ki dua nahi ki thei balkay un ko tu us zamnay kay loog phaansi dena chahatay thay. means Saleeb par latkana chahatay thay. Tu Allah tala nay Essa Abne marium ko apni taraf bula liya. because Allah kay haath main sab kuch hay,(na kayYasrab kay waali kay haath main)... aur Allah Essa A.S ko bachana chahta tha tu Allah tabarak watala nay aisa kia...

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Qiyamat k din Hisab kiab se pehlay jo Be-chaini ki kaifiat ho gi
os k khatmay k leay tmam Nabi Hazoor( S.A.A.W) k pas jaiy gay or request kray gay
k Aap Allah se kehay or ye State or condition khatam ho or hisab kitab start ho phir Hazoor (S.A.A.w) ki sfarish pe ye amal start ho ga.

Yes off course bechaini ki kafiyat ho gi. wo sirf un logon kay li ay jo kay aap SAW kay phailaa ay ho ay deen main apna deen lay kar baith ja ain gay. Quraani ayat ka khula inkar karain gay...

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Mairaj ki raat Baitul Muqadas mae tmam Nabio ne Hazoor (S.A.A.w)
ki amamat mae namaz perhi.

Never listen this before...

Ajj BZUPAGES par Irfan bhai nay aik Buhut achi baat share ki...

Quote:

Originally Posted by irfishahpk

Logon kay khauf say haq baat kahnay say na ruko

Kion kay

Na to koi maut ko qareeb kar sakta hay

Aur na koi

Rizq ko door kar sakta hay

************Hazrat Ali(R.A)*************

I wana be Ali R.A. LOL. ban tu koi bhi nahi skta.. but koshish tu ki ja sakti hay na, huq baat kehnay main kia harj hay..

13-08-2009, 09:15 PM

Alsalam O Alaikum & Walaikum Salam ...

:D

First of all I want to clear that we should not call any hadith a proved one if it is against wording of Quran & God ...

and of course should not follow it...

Jo kuch hay Quran main hay ... Hadith sirf woh kaam karnay ka tareeka batati hay... Nothing new is defined in Hadith if that does not exist in quran (I beleive this ...)

"This day, I have perfected for you your religion , completed my favours upon you and chosen for you Islam as your religion." (AI-Ma'idah 5:4)

"To proceed with: The best speech is the book of Allah, the best guidance and example is that of the prophet (SAW) and the worst of all things are the innovations, and every innovation is deviation." (Muslim)

now some answers for Uzma ji :D

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onca Hazrat Jibraeel A.S came.Hazrat Muhammad(S.A.A.W) was sitting with
Hazrat Fatima R.A.Hazrat Jibraeel A.S said ,say salam to Hazrat Fatima R.A.
Hazrat Muhammad(S.A.A.W) said,
Fatima tumharay Chacha saying salam
Hazrat Jibraeel A.S said, chacha nhi ,i m the one who created by Allah
Ist of all.
Hazrat Muhammad(S.A.A.W) smiled & said when was created u what u saw
in sarrounding.
He A.S said
There was only a star shinning there.i saw that star 72 thousand times which appear
once in 70 thousands years.
Then Hazrat Muhammad(S.A.A.W) said That star was i.

I also need reference of this hadith...

Because Allah had Created Hazrat Adam First not Hazrat Muhammad...

I am again quoting the reference of Quran which was quoted by Usman ...

Quote:

Surat Bani Israel Aeyat no 95-94

"logon k pass hadayat pohanch chuknay k bad iman sy roknay wali yehi cheez rahi k unhon ny kaha kya Allah ny ek insan ko he rasool bana kr bheja, Ap (S.A.W) keh dayn k agar zameen mein faraishtay chalty phirty or rehty bastay hotay tu hum bhi in k pass kisi asmani farishtay ko rasool bana kr bhejtay"

It has the complete answer to me (may be not to you ... :D but you should accept quranic Ayah :D)

Matlab yeh keh agar Hazoor (SAW) star hain tu hum bhi star hain ...
If we are "INSAN" then God has sent a Star to Conflict with His own Ayah?

Now a refernce for Usman's This Saying :D

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hehehe
han becharay khud tu kha nahi saktay na dety hain bas...
laqin pata nahi kya dety hain thori si aqal bhi dy dain tu acha ha....

Ans is Here :D

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Surat Tauba Aeyat no 34
Aye Eman Walo! Bohat say Aalim Aur Mashaikh(Peer) logon ka maal jhootay Tareekay say khatay hain. Aur (un ko) Allah Ki Rah say bhi roktay hain

Matlab Khud samjh lo Quran ko :D

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"But no, by thy Lord, they can never attain real faith until they make thee the judge in all disputes among them, and find in their souls no resistance against thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction." (Surah An-Nisa' 4:65)

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The answers of all of ur Qu. one by one
1- Al-Quran
Ae Paighamber keh dejiaey ager tum Allah se muhabbat rakhtay ho tu
Meri pairavi kro Allah b tum se muhabbat kray ga.(Al-Imran)
2-Al-Hadith.
Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.A.W) ne fermaya:
Tum mae se koi shaks os wakt tak Momin nhi ho skta jab tak os ko meri muhabbat
apnay Baap or apni Olad or sab logo se zeada na ho.(Al-Bukhari ,kitab ul Eman)
3-Al-Hadith
aik dafa aik shaks Hazor (S.A.A.W) k pas aya or kehnay lga ,
Ya Rasool Allah Qiyamat kab kaim ho gi?
Aap (S.A.A.W) ne fermaya:
Aray tuj pe afsos, tu ne Qiyamat k leay kia saaman tyar ker rakha hai?
wo shaks kehnay lga, Mein ne tu koi saaman tyar nhi kia sirf itni baat hai
k Mein Allah or Os k Rasool(S.A.A.W) se muhabbat rakhta hoon.
Aap (S.A.A.W) ne fermaya:
ps tu onhi k sath Qiyamat mae ho ga jin se muhabbat rakhta hai.
(Al-Bukhari , Kitab ul Adab)

I don't know for which question you gave this answer ...also reference should be provided... but here you should accept that you should follow what Muhammad (SAW) done and he done everything by following quran ...
It just mean to follow Muhammad (SAW)

Quote:

"Say: if you do love Allah, follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins." (Surah Aali-'Imran 3:31)

and what about Shab e Barat ? read this http://muslimways.com/weak-fabricate...b-e-barat.html

Thanks :D

14-08-2009, 07:24 AM

Please read this ... http://bzupages.com/f329/dawat-e-illallah-dawat-e-islami-dawat-e-hadiyah-5136/#post11177

01-09-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by uzma

Usman g ofcourse i will give u all refr. bcz all r athantic
i feel no shame & fear to describe it all ok
now i m out of city Insha Allah after coming back i will give u refr.
about till Monday.
or post ka start kindly aik dafa or ghor se with full attention
parh lo ok
Nazia g baat se baat nikalna khob baat hai lekin abt Islam plz
think abt it.

Asalamo Alaikum
Uzma sis...aaap shyad Quran-e-Kareem ki baat ko sun kar hum say naraz ho gai hay

3 weeks Honay ko hain abhi tak monday nahi aya ..

Please aap aa ja ain na wapis....

nahi tu...

Surat Bani israel aeyat no 81
"Or elan kr do haq aa gaya or batil bhag khara hwa or batil tu ha he bhag nikalny wala"

Chalo koi nahi Quran paak ko nahi man na na manay.. But hum sab friends nay naraz tu na hon na

khush rahay ... But aik bat Allah kay saath kisi ko Shareek na thehrana... Chahay wo Allah kay Siwa (Mindo nillah) koi bhi hasti ho.. usay Allah ka shareek na thehrana.

Because

Inka Shirkal Zulmun Azeem
23 years hamaray Piyaray Nabi Muhammad Kreem SAW nay bhi yehi Tableegh ki thei

01-12-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by uzma

Usman g ofcourse i will give u all refr. bcz all r athantic
i feel no shame & fear to describe it all ok
now i m out of city Insha Allah after coming back i will give u refr.
about till Monday.
or post ka start kindly aik dafa or ghor se with full attention
parh lo ok
Nazia g baat se baat nikalna khob baat hai lekin abt Islam plz
think abt it.

Waiting for uzma...

i wish you will be back soon..

14-08-2009, 07:24 AM	#16
BSIT07-01	Re: Hadees Nabvi, Allah nay Muqadar banaya aur usi nay jo chaha kiya.... Please read this ... http://bzupages.com/f329/dawat-e-illallah-dawat-e-islami-dawat-e-hadiyah-5136/#post11177

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13-08-2009, 09:18 AM	#12
uzma	Re: Hadees Nabvi, Allah nay Muqadar banaya aur usi nay jo chaha kiya.... Mam above quote ki hoe hadith mae ye kaha kis jaga per Mein ne Mention kia hai k 1-Hazoor (S.A.A.W) tmam Nabio ko rizk detay hain? 2-Mein ne kab kaha hai k usman ne jo ayat ka refr. dia hai wo wrong hai? 3-Above hadith mae kon c shirk wali baat hai ? 4-kab kaha k Hazoor (S.A.A.W) ka Rutba Na aoz billah Allah k braber hai just clear that points Usman g ofcourse i will give u all refr. bcz all r athantic i feel no shame & fear to describe it all ok now i m out of city Insha Allah after coming back i will give u refr. about till Monday. or post ka start kindly aik dafa or ghor se with full attention parh lo ok Nazia g baat se baat nikalna khob baat hai lekin abt Islam plz think abt it. Baita g kisi pe kufer ka fatwa..............? kehnay ko tu boht kuch hai bt ............... sensibility se baat ko understand kerna or react krna this is time requirment & this is Islam say in the case of religious conversation.