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usman_latif_ch 27-10-2009 09:18 PM

Re: Jadoogar kay Jado main Asar ke Qaeleen say chand Sawalat. Question to follower of Jado's Effect. URDU
 
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There is hell of difference between shetaan and Jadogar...
Jadogar is Human being. Sheetan is not....
Difference ha han laqin dono ko Allah ny paida kiya k nahi?
same aesy he jado mein b bhi Allah k hukam sy nuqsan ho sakta ha or nahi b
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Aur sheetan kay baray main Allah nay yeh bhi nahi farmaya jaisay ka Allah nay Jadogar kay bray main farmaya hay...
kyoun nahi farmaya kaha ha sheetan ko k wo kabhi kamyab nahi hoga

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Aur frishton kay baray main Allah nay yeh bhi nahi kaha kay. Frishtay Kufar ki taleem dene aa ay thay. balkay Allah nay yeh saaf keh diya kay frishton nay kufar nahi kia... (albaqrah 102)
jee han nahi koofar kiya na farishton ny na he suleman (A.S) ny
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Originally Posted by .BZU. (Post 13341)
usman aap Pehlay aap oper walay 17 questions ka answer to dain..


But aap ki saari behis say itna saaf zahir ho raha hay kay.... aap in baton ki sacha sabit karnay ki koshish kar rahay hain...

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Allah nay zameen par us hasti ko
Lakri main Jaan dalnay ki taqat di hay (Jaan dalana sirf Allah ki sifat hay) jis kay li ay Allah nay kaha hay kay wo kabhi kamiyab nahi ho sakta.
Allah ho alam ap or jis ny kaha wohi janta ha mein jo keh raha hn wo ap k samny ha

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Aur Yeh bhi kay...

Hazart Mohammad SAW Jado zada shakhsiyat they,aur un par yahoodiyon nay jado kar diya tha (Jaisay kay Mushrakeen e makah ka iman tha)
jado zada shkhsiyat or jado hony mein bohat faraq ha
jesy pagal insan or pagal pan k dora parny mein
abdi marz or aarzi marz mein faraq ha


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Allah tala nay Sleman A.S ko frishton kay zariay Kufar ju taleem di...

Jadogar ko Allah nay nakamiyab kaha hay. aur Allah nay jadogar ko Dunia jahan kay sab kaam karnay ki taqat di hay....
Allah ny kisi ko kisi cheez ki taqat nahi di Allah ny yeh kaha ha agr mein chahon tu kisi ka nuksan ka hukam dy doon chahy wo kuch bhi kary
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Abh mujhay abhi exams ki study karna hay... will contact you ASAP...



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"Or wo dono unko kuch nahi seekhtay thy jab tk keh yeh na keh dayn k ham "zeryah e azmaesh" hain tum koofar mein na pero' garz log insy aesa jado seekhty jis sy mian biwi mein judai dal dayn or Allah k hukam k siwa iss (jado) sy kisi ka kuch nahi bigar sakty thy or kuch aesy (mantar) seekhty jo inko nuqsan he pohchty or kuch faida nahi or jis cheez k eewaaz unhon ny apni jaanon ko baich dala wo buri thi. kash wo iss bat ko janty

.BZU. 27-10-2009 09:25 PM

Re: Jadoogar kay Jado main Asar ke Qaeleen say chand Sawalat. Question to follower of Jado's Effect. URDU
 
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"Or wo dono unko kuch nahi seekhtay thy jab tk keh yeh na keh dayn k ham "zeryah e azmaesh" hain tum koofar mein na pero' garz log insy aesa jado seekhty jis sy mian biwi mein judai dal dayn or Allah k hukam k siwa iss (jado) sy kisi ka kuch nahi bigar sakty thy or kuch aesy (mantar) seekhty jo inko nuqsan he pohchty or kuch faida nahi or jis cheez k eewaaz unhon ny apni jaanon ko baich dala wo buri thi. kash wo iss bat ko janty
Agar aap kehta ho kay yeh dono frishtay thay tu aap ki yeh baat wrong ho jaati hay...

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jee han nahi koofar kiya na farishton ny na he suleman (A.S) ny
Aap baar baar is ayat ko iss li ay paish kar rahay ho?

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kay jadogar kay jado main Allah nay asar rakha hay... AUR JADOGAR KISI ko bina kisi sabab kay physically effect kar sakta hay.. (jo kay jadogar kehta hay, aur jado kanray karnay walay sab kehtay hain. jado ko man nay walay sab logon ka aqeeda hay)

wasif nay pehlay hei is ayat ko shirk say paak bana kar interpret ki hay..

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Originally Posted by BSIT07-01 (Post 13274)
Aap keh rahay ho keh jado allah ki marzi say kaam karta hay .. woh tu sab kuchh allah ki marzi say hota hay ... iss tarah tu main bhi keh doon keh main ghar main baithay baithay fallan kaam kar sakta hoon ... Lakin agar Allah Chahay tu ho jaye ga aur agar allah na chahy tu nahi ho ga ... Tu kia yeh jadoo ho ga? jee nahi bilkul jado nahi ho ga. yeh Allah nay kia hoga

Kia Jadoogar yeh kehta hay keh Allah Nay chaha tu hoga ? wo tu yeh kehtay hain keh humaray ammal say hoga ...

Agar kehtay ho keh jadoo gar kay amal main asar hay tu phir peeroon kay amal main bhi asar hona chahiay... They also do similar things... don't they?



Unhoon nay rasiyan aur lathiyan phaikein ... Saanp nahi thay woh (might be acting like snakes) ... As far I know they were just moving like snakes ...

Aur next ayat kay end main likha hua hay "Un kay jhotay shobdoon ko"

Any correction will be accepted ... :)


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No, It could be interpreted like that ...

Aik jadoogar nay kaha keh yeh banda iss din mar jaye ga ...

Aur Allah nay bhi uss banday kay marnay ka hukm day dia ho ...

Tu kia Allah us jadoogar ko jhoota karnay kay liay apna hukm change kar dain ?

Banda maray ga tu Allah kay hi hukm say But jadoogar kahay ga keh us ki waja say hua hay, Agar woh apnay Amal na karta tu banda na marta ...




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Difference ha han laqin dono ko Allah ny paida kiya k nahi?
same aesy he jado mein b bhi Allah k hukam sy nuqsan ho sakta ha or nahi b
jab difference hay tu phir insan main aur jadogar main kia difference hay?



aap jo sheetan aur insan ki characteristics ka comparison kar rahay ho..

Aalh nay Frishton ko bhi paida kia hay... kia un kay characteristics insaan ki trah hain?jab nahi hain tu sheetan ko beech main lanay ka koi jawaz hei nahi banata hay mere bhai...

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usman_latif_ch 27-10-2009 11:12 PM

Re: Jadoogar kay Jado main Asar ke Qaeleen say chand Sawalat. Question to follower of Jado's Effect. URDU
 
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kay jadogar kay jado main Allah nay asar rakha hay... AUR JADOGAR KISI ko bina kisi sabab kay physically effect kar sakta hay.. (jo kay jadogar kehta hay, aur jado kanray karnay walay sab kehtay hain. jado ko man nay walay sab logon ka aqeeda hay)
Allah ny asar nahi rakha ha phir jan kr galat taraf matlab ly jaty ho jo mein keh raha hn wo suno
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koi jado ghar yan wska jado nuqsan nahi pohcha sakta laqin Allah chaty tu ( jado/amliyat) sy kisi nuqsan ka hukam dy sakta ha


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wasif nay pehlay hei is ayat ko shirk say paak bana kar interpret ki hay..
yehi tu bat ha ap Allah ki aeyat mein khud shirk smjhty ho or phir wsko nikal kr interpretation kerty ho jabkeh Allah ki aeyat kabhi shirk nahi rakhtien apki soch rakhti ha

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Aalh nay Frishton ko bhi paida kia hay... kia un kay characteristics insaan ki trah hain?jab nahi hain tu sheetan ko beech main lanay ka koi jawaz hei nahi banata hay mere bhai...
han issi terhan Allah or booton/Peeron etc mein bhi faraq ha na in ki characteristics mein bohat faraq ha

laqin kafir tu booton sy manty, Log peeron k pass ja kr bhi muradain mangty hain or Allah un k zarzeh un ko deta bhi ha
tu kya hm yeh tasawer kr rahy hain k peeron/booton ko allah ny ikhteyar dy diya ha?
yan yeh keh unko sheetan dy raha ha..........
:salam:salam:salam:salam:salam:salam:salam:salam:s alam:salam:salam:salam:salam:salam:salam:salam
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Originally Posted by Raheel (Post 13319)
Asalam-o-Alaikum to all here,

Mene yeh poora thread read kiya hay lekin me ap dono (BZU, USMAN) ka moqaf nahi samajh paya will u please explain k app ka moqaf kiya hay is behes ka ? takay muje bhi samajh me aye ke kiya sahi hay or kiya galat.

Regards

mera moqaf jo bhi ha wo agar ap yeh sari post perho gy tu smjh aa jye gi

Laqin inka moqaf yeh ha

*Jitni bhi jado sy related sahi ahadees bhi hain jo yeh zahir karti hain k jado mein Allah k hukam sy asar ho sakta ha wo galat hain kyoun k wo quran sy inki interpretation k mutabiq takrati hain jado kuch nahi ha

*jitni bhi sheetan or jinon k mutaliq sahi ahadees hain Sahi muslim or sahi bukhari ki bhi jesy k Allah k nabi ny kaha k sheetan insan k jism mein khone ki terhan chal phir sakta ha wo galat hain

or abhi inka nahi pata laqin kuch or log hain shaid yeh bhi un sy hon yan ap bhi

*jo kehty hain k Azab e Qabar k mutaliq jitni bhi sahi ahadees hain wo bhi galat hain, azab e qabar kuch nahi ha kyoun k quran mein kahin isska zikir nahi ha or jo ahadees hain wo quran ki kuch aeyat sy inki interpretation k mutabiq takrati hain

.BZU. 27-10-2009 11:25 PM

Re: Jadoogar kay Jado main Asar ke Qaeleen say chand Sawalat. Question to follower of Jado's Effect. URDU
 
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*Jitni bhi jado sy related sahi ahadees bhi hain jo yeh zahir karti hain k jado mein Allah k hukam sy asar ho sakta ha wo galat hain kyoun k wo quran sy inki interpretation k mutabiq takrati hain jado kuch nahi ha
Waisay tu jado main asar mannay walon ki interpretation ki mutabiq tu quran ki ayat bhi quran say takrati hain...
app nay aik bhi hadees paish nahi ki phir bhi yeh moqaf keh rahay ho. amazing
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mujhy jo haq lag raha ha wohi janta hn
ap log jan kr sahi Ahadees ko quran sy takra rahy hain
jado main asar mannay walay tu quran majeed ko hei quran majeed ki buhut saari ayat ko (ayat 102 say) takra rhay ho.sirf yeh sabit karnay kay li ay kay kuch zaeef ahadees main aisa kuch likha huya hay... Surah baqrah Ayat 102 porri parho.tu aap usi ayat ko hei usi say takra rahay ho. hadees ko takarna tu phir bhi door ki baat hay.

jado main asar mannay (shyad aap bhi) udhar yeh mantay ho kay Frishton nay kufar nahi kia. aur udhar mantay ho kay frishtay zameen par aa kay Loogn ko jado sikhatay thay.. baap ray.....

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koi jado ghar yan wska jado nuqsan nahi pohcha sakta laqin Allah chaty tu ( jado/amliyat) sy kisi nuqsan ka hukam dy sakta ha

I believe Allah jo chahay kar sakta hay. but Allah apni kahi hoi baat ko ghalat nahi kehta hay...aur Allah ke rasool bhi (hadees) Allah ki kahi hoi baat ko ghalat nahi keh saktay... yeh mera moqaf hay

mera moqaf yeh kay Allah nay jab yeh kaha hay kay. jadogar kabhi kamiyab nahi ho sakta (kia is ko youn interparate kia ja ay kay wo IT kay exams main kamiyab nahi ho sakata, baki sab kaam karnay main kamiyab ho sakta hay) isli ay Allah jadogar ko Bina kisi sabab kay ki ay janay walay jado ko kabhi kamiyab nahi honay day ga.Allah nay Firon kay jadogaron ko bhi fareeb aur dhoka kaaha. Un kay jado ko shobada (trick) kaha...

Agar jadoogar yeh karnay main kamiyab ho jata hay tu Allah apni ayat ko khud wrong karay ga.


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*jitni bhi sheetan or jinon k mutaliq sahi ahadees hain Sahi muslim or sahi bukhari ki bhi jesy k Allah k nabi ny kaha k sheetan insan k jism mein khone ki terhan chal phir sakta ha wo galat hain
no reference..

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*jo kehty hain k Azab e Qabar k mutaliq jitni bhi sahi ahadees hain wo bhi galat hain, azab e qabar kuch nahi ha kyoun k quran mein kahin isska zikir nahi ha or jo ahadees hain wo quran ki kuch aeyat sy inki interpretation k mutabiq takrati hain
Azab kay qabar ko koi nahi jhutla sakta... aur na hei main nay jhutalaya hay. Azabe qabar zameeni qabar main nahi balkay alam - e- barzakh wali qabar mein hoga...

Agar quran majeed main azab qabar ki naffi hoti tu wallah hum bhi is hadees ki nafi kartay.

but quran main tu jadogar ki nafi ki gai hay phir bhi us ko zaeef ahadees say sabit kar kay aap yeh sabit kar rahay ho kay aap Jado aur taghoot par emaan rakhtay ho (means kehtay ho kay kisi na kisi trah in main asar hay)... jado aur taghot karnay say na aoozbillah kisi ko mafoqul Asbab nafa nuksaan ho jata hay...(physically effect ho jata hay)
tu sun loo Allah nay aisay logon kay baray main kia farmaya hay...
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bina kisi sabab kay koi kaam honay ko mojaza kehtay hain. aap kay is concept kay mutabiq Allah nay jadogar ko mojzay aata ki ay hain kia?:achillpill:
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Allah ny asar nahi rakha ha phir jan kr galat taraf matlab ly jaty ho jo mein keh raha hn wo suno
Jab Allah nay asar rakha hay jadogar kay jado main tu nechay wali charon batain haq hoti hain ... abh aap yeh proof do kay yeh kaisay sach hain?
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tu kya hm yeh tasawer kr rahy hain k peeron/booton ko allah ny ikhteyar dy diya ha?
But aap yeh maan rahay ho kay Alah nay jadogar ko har kaam karnay ka ikhtiyar diya hay...
aur yeh kay jado bar haq aur yeh sab kuchh bhi sach hay.... (because yeh sab behis aapo sirf isi waja say kar rahay ho kay aap kehtay ho kay yeh mandraja zail sab waqya huya hay)
  1. Allah nay zameen par us hasti ko ; Lakri main Jaan dalnay ki taqat di hay (Jaan dalana sirf Allah ki sifat hay) jis kay li ay Allah nay kaha hay kay wo kabhi kamiyab nahi ho sakta.
  2. Hazart Mohammad SAW Jado zada shakhsiyat they,aur un par yahoodiyon nay jado kar diya tha (Jaisay kay Mushrakeen e makah ka iman tha)
  3. Allah tala nay Sleman A.S ko frishton kay zariay Kufar aur jado ki taleem di... (Jado kufar hey , aur frishton ka jado sikhana bhi kufar hay. means frishton nay bhi kufar kia)
  4. Jadogar ko Allah nay nakamiyab kaha hay. aur Allah nay jadogar ko Dunia jahan kay sab kaam karnay ki taqat di hay.... (jabkay, Bhagwan, tawez, etc waghera waghera ko yeh taqat nahi di)

:comfort_:Please in kay proof do.. in kay answer main nay khud nahi di ay aap do. nahi tu aap ko etraaz ho jata hay kay aapnay question kay answer khud hei day di ay hain.:deal:

Raheel 28-10-2009 04:17 PM

Re: Jadoogar kay Jado main Asar ke Qaeleen say chand Sawalat. Question to follower of Jado's Effect. URDU
 
I have a question for BZU, ap muje yeh batayen ke Mafooq ul Asbab or Mateht ul Asbab sab ke liye ek hain, means Farishton k liye, Nabiyon or Aam insano k liye, Jinon k liye ? ya sab ke liye alag alag hain ?

.BZU. 28-10-2009 06:31 PM

Re: Jadoogar kay Jado main Asar ke Qaeleen say chand Sawalat. Question to follower of Jado's Effect. URDU
 
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Originally Posted by Raheel (Post 13368)
I have a question for BZU, ap muje yeh batayen ke Mafooq ul Asbab or Mateht ul Asbab sab ke liye ek hain, means Farishton k liye, Nabiyon or Aam insano k liye, Jinon k liye ? ya sab ke liye alag alag hain ?

Asalamo Alaikum
Raheel. jee matehtul Asbaab ka meaning Allah ki banai gai sab makhlooq kay li ay aik hei hain. Allah ki banai gai har makhlooq jo bhi kaam karti hay. unka ko na koi sabab zaror hota hay... Right>>abh aap kahogay kay frishtay kaisay matehtul asbab kaam kartay hain.

main nay already kaha hay kay frishton, insano, jino sab kay alag alag characteristics hotay hain. aap bhi usman ki trah wala comparision kar rahay ho. jaisay usman insan (jadogar) ko sheetan
(jo kay na nazar anay wali makhlooq hay) ki taqat say compare kar rahay hain.

e.g: frishton ki characteristics hain, kay wo masoom hotay hain, Gunah say paak hotay hain, insano ki trah fitna nahi kartay, har wo kaam kar saktay hain jis ki Allah nay unko ijazat di hoti hay.aur wo kaam nahi kartay jis say Allah un ko mana farmata hay. (zahir hay Allah nay unko koi na koi aisi taqat di hogi jis say wo kaam kartay hongay)

Sheetan ka tu aap ko pata hei hay kay Allah nay us ko kitni taqat di hay.nahi pata tu quran majeed main parh lijiay ga. (because yahan jadogar (insan) ki behis ho rahi hay sheetani makhlooq ki nahi)

Abh baat agai Insano ki: Sab say pehlay nabi A.S ko lay letay hain, nabi A.S bhi hamari trah kay insan hotay hain. but un main aur aaam insaano main yeh farq hota hay kay un ka wahi nazil hoti thei. jo kay frishtay lay kar utartay thay.But Allah nay Nabi A.S ko Mojzat bhi atta frma ay jo kay matehtul Asbab kaam kartay thay.(but humain tu
mafoqul Asbab show hota hay is kay pechay bhi koi logic hoti hay, e.g Allah frishton ko order day kar wo kaam karwatay hongay.)

Jaisay Mosa A.S ki laathi ka Snack ban jana.
Esa abne Marium ka murda ko zinda kar dena.
etc ... yeh sab mojzat thay...
yeh tu hogi nabi ki shaan


Abh Nabi kay baad Nabi ki ummat : Ummat bhi insan hoti hay aur ummat bhi jo kaam karti hay us kay pechay koi na koi sabab zaror hota hay.wo bhi tab hota hay Agar Allah nay us baat ka hukum dia ho, aur nahi ho sakta chahay hum jitni koshish kar lain. chahay wo peer ho, faqeer ho, molvi ho, malang baba ho, chahay hum hon, chahay jadogar hon.

Wsalam...


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Abh aap dear usman ki trah kaho gay kay jadogar Allah ki marzi say kaam kiyon nahi kar sakta...

Answer is: Jadogar (insan) kay li ay Allah nay quran majeed main hukum farmaya hay kay wo kabhi kaamiyab nahi ho sakta. tu wo apnay mantar say kaisay jado kar kay apni marzi say jo kaam chahay kar sakta hay?

Jadogar kay li ay Allah tala nay itna bola kay jadogar jadogar jo bhi kar kay dikhata hay wo us ka fareeb hota hay. ayat page1 par quoted hain.


Isliay Allah kabhi jadogar ko jadokar kay uskay marzi kay kaam karnay ki permission bhi nahi day ga.nahi tu Allah tala ki apni hei ayat ki nafi kar day ga.but humain pata hay kay Allah tala kay quran majeed main zara barabar bhi ikhtelaaf nahi hay.

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Jadogar kay baray main Allah nay farmaya kay, jo sakhas Jadogar kay jado par iman la ay ga, us par Allah ki lanat ho gi, aur Allah kabhi bhi us ki madad nahi karay ga.

dobara paste kardon, shyad aap nay nahi parha

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Second reason is this. Agar koi shakhas yeh maan lay kay jadogar kay jado main asar hay tu us par Allah ki lanat barsay gi. isliay bhi yeh baat hargiz nahi man ni chahay kay jadogar apnay jado say jo kuch marzi kar sakta hay:complain:

Thrid reason is: jado (not trick) kay asar honay ki real life main koi example bhi nahi hay. Agar koi yeh sabit kar leta hay kay hay, to wo Allah ki ayat ki nafi karnay wala ho ja ay ga...


Waisay agar aap ko meri aur quran ki in baton say ikhtelaaf hay tu koi baat nahi. bas afsoos zaror hoga...

Raheel 29-10-2009 09:47 AM

Re: Jadoogar kay Jado main Asar ke Qaeleen say chand Sawalat. Question to follower of Jado's Effect. URDU
 
Ek baaat ap batayen k quran me Allah ne farmaya k jadugar kabhi apnay maqsad me kamyab nahi ho sakta lekin yeh kahan farmaya hay k us k jadu me asar nahi hay ? koi aisi wazaih ayat ho to batayen.

Let suppose agar jadugar kisi per us k mar janay k liye jadu kerta hay lekin woh shuks sakht beemar ho ker theek ho jata hay to yeh howa na k woh jadugar apnay maqsad me kamiyab nahi howa lekin Allah k hukum se woh beemar howa yani us shuks per us jadu ka asar to howa na ?

App agar koi bat samjhana chahti hain or samajhti hain k ap huq per hain to app ko chahiye ke ayat ko quote kerne k sath sath us ki detail shan-e-nuzool or jo us ayat se related sahi ahadees hain wo paish kerain, quran me to Allah ne yeh bhi farmaya k Namaz Qaim kero lekin qaim kesay kerni hay yeh sahi ahadees batati hain na k quran me kahin bhi namaz qaim kerne ka tareeka hay

2nd soorah baqra me jo Allah ne farmaya hay ke woh is jadu wagaira se kisi ka kuch nuqsan nahi ker saktay siwa is k k Allah hi nuqsan ka hukum de, yeh ayat to app bilkul hi jhutla rahi hain..

Ap ne jo Soorah Nisah ki ayat quote ki hay "Kiya nahi dekha tum ne un logon ko jin ko diya gaya hay kuch hisa kitab-e-Ilahi me se k eeman rakhtay hain woh jadu tonay or shaitanee quwaton per" is se kahan wazaih ho raha hay ke jadu me asar nahi hai yeh ayat to yeh bata rahi hay ke in per eeman na rakho k jadu wadu se kuch nahi hota magar Allah k hukum or iraday se.

.BZU. 29-10-2009 02:02 PM

Re: Jadoogar kay Jado main Asar ke Qaeleen say chand Sawalat. Question to follower of Jado's Effect. URDU
 
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Originally Posted by Raheel (Post 13394)
Ek baaat ap batayen k quran me Allah ne farmaya k jadugar kabhi apnay maqsad me kamyab nahi ho sakta lekin yeh kahan farmaya hay k us k jadu me asar nahi hay ? koi aisi wazaih ayat ho to batayen.

kia in 3 ayat say wazay nahi ho raha hay ky jo loog kehta hain kay jado main asar hay wo ghalat hay. jabkay jado ki haqeqat sirf itni hay kay wo sirf jhoota shubda hay. aur fareeb hay?


Aur nechay wali surah Younis . main Allah nay yeh kaha hay kay agar Allh ka mojaza jado hota tu wo bhi kamiyab nahi hota..

Agar jado main asar hay tu jadogar apnay jado karnay main kamiyab kaisay nahi ho sakta?


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Originally Posted by Raheel (Post 13394)
2nd soorah baqra me jo Allah ne farmaya hay ke woh is jadu wagaira se kisi ka kuch nuqsan nahi ker saktay siwa is k k Allah hi nuqsan ka hukum de, yeh ayat to app bilkul hi jhutla rahi hain..

Jab jado wagheera say kuch nuqsaan hei nahi pohuncha saktay tu jado main asar hei nahi huya na mere bhai jaan...tu Allah kiyon phir us main khud say asar dalay ga?

Aur Allah ne jis trah say hukum ki baat hay wo pechay 2 dafa likhi gai hay kay Allah ka hukum kis trah ho sakta hay... yahan yeh nahi likha huya kay Allah jadogar main asar dalnay ka hukum dayga, jabkay yeh zaror likha hay kay jado kisi ko koi faida nahi deta .balklay jado karnay walon ko nuqsaan hoga...

Aur agar is trah ki baat maan lo kay Allah khud hei jadogar kay jado main asar dalnay ya na dalnay ka hukum day deta tu Allah apni hei kahi gai baat ka Ekhtelaaf kar raha hay kay .. udhar Allah keh raha hay kay jadogar kamiyab hei nahi ho sakta . aur udhar Allah beiman jadogar ko jis ko Allah nay kaha hay wo kamiyab hei nahi ho sakta, us ko jado say koi faida hei nahi hoga balkay nuqsaan hota hay,Phir Allah us ki khud hei madad karay ga.. wah ray.

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Originally Posted by Raheel (Post 13394)
Let suppose agar jadugar kisi per us k mar janay k liye jadu kerta hay lekin woh shuks sakht beemar ho ker theek ho jata hay to yeh howa na k woh jadugar apnay maqsad me kamiyab nahi howa lekin Allah k hukum se woh beemar howa yani us shuks per us jadu ka asar to howa na ?

Us ka par jado ka Asar nahi hoya. Yehi baat hay us aayat main kay is ka Allah hukum day ga... yeh nahi hay kay us jadoogar nay jo mantar waghera parhay hain un say yeh bemaar hoga aur us shakhs par jadogar kay jadoo ka asar ho giya hay...


Anyway now you beileve kay jadogar ko Allah nay itni taqat day di hay kay wo logon ko bemaar kar sakta hay(jadogar kay jado main asar hota hay)... Tooba Astaghfiruallah. jabkay Allah nay quran majeed main farmya hay kay main momin ka saath deta hon... aur udhar Allah us ka saath day raha hay jis ko Allah khud bura bhala keh raha hay.

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Originally Posted by Raheel (Post 13394)
Ap ne jo Soorah Nisah ki ayat quote ki hay "Kiya nahi dekha tum ne un logon ko jin ko diya gaya hay kuch hisa kitab-e-Ilahi me se k eeman rakhtay hain woh jadu tonay or shaitanee quwaton per" is se kahan wazaih ho raha hay ke jadu me asar nahi hai yeh ayat to yeh bata rahi hay ke in per eeman na rakho k jadu wadu se kuch nahi hota magar Allah k hukum or iraday se.

Please read the aya. aur batao kaahan likhan say yeh wazahay ho raha hay k jadu wadu se kuch nahi hota magar Allah k hukum or iraday se?aur jadogar kay jado main asar hota hay. Koi asar honay wali ayat to dikhao.. main nay tu dikhai na ayat jin say proof ho rha hay kay jadogar kuch nahi kar sakta. jadogar beiman/dhokay baz hay wagheera wagheera

surah nisa ki ayat main jado par iman lanay say kia muraad hay? zahir hay yehi muraad hay kay kay jaado main asar maan lena. aur konsa jado par imaan lana ka meaning ho sakata hay?

Agar koi shakhas yeh maan lay kay jadogar kay jado main asar hay tu us par Allah ki lanat barsay gi. isliay bhi yeh baat hargiz nahi man ni chahay ... Raheel aur Usman bhai ...

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Anyway Abh maan li aap ki baat... aur aap kay mutabiq wo sab batain maan lain ki jadogar kay tonay totkay main asar hay.(aur yeh asar Allah deta hay. because Allah nay jadogar ko sab say bara dhokay baaz aur beiman kaha hay)... aur wo ahadees bhi maan li jin ka aap nay abhi tak zikar hei nahi ki...



abh aap wo 4 batain quran aur hadees sahi kay roshani main saabit kar kay dikhao...

  1. Allah nay zameen par us hasti ko ; Lakri main Jaan dalnay ki taqat di hay (Jaan dalana sirf Allah ki sifat hay) jis kay li ay Allah nay kaha hay kay wo kabhi kamiyab nahi ho sakta.
  2. Hazart Mohammad SAW Jado zada shakhsiyat they,aur un par yahoodiyon nay jado kar diya tha (Jaisay kay Mushrakeen e makah ka iman tha)
  3. Allah tala nay Sleman A.S ko frishton kay zariay Kufar aur jado ki taleem di... (Jado kufar hey , aur frishton ka jado sikhana bhi kufar hay. means frishton nay bhi kufar kia)
  4. Jadogar ko Allah nay nakamiyab kaha hay. aur Allah nay jadogar ko Dunia jahan kay sab kaam karnay ki taqat di hay.... (jabkay, Bhagwan, tawez, etc waghera waghera ko yeh taqat nahi di)

:comfort_:Please in kay proof do.. in kay answer main nay khud nahi di ay aap do. nahi tu aap ko etraaz ho jata hay kay aapnay question kay answer khud hei day di ay hain.:deal:

Raheel 29-10-2009 03:42 PM

Re: Jadoogar kay Jado main Asar ke Qaeleen say chand Sawalat. Question to follower of Jado's Effect. URDU
 
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Originally Posted by .BZU. (Post 13396)
kia in 3 ayat say wazay nahi ho raha hay ky jo loog kehta hain kay jado main asar hay wo ghalat hay. jabkay jado ki haqeqat sirf itni hay kay wo sirf jhoota shubda hay. aur fareeb hay?

Agar jadu ki haqeeqat sirf itni hay ke woh jhoota shobda hay to Mian or Biwi me jhagra kesay ho jata tha ?


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Originally Posted by .BZU. (Post 13396)
Agar jado main asar hay tu jadogar apnay jado karnay main kamiyab kaisay nahi ho sakta?



Kamiyab aisay nahi ho sakta k Allah ne usay nakamiyab kernay ka kaha hay is liye woh kesay kamiyab ho ?

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Originally Posted by .BZU. (Post 13396)
Jab jado wagheera say kuch nuqsaan hei nahi pohuncha saktay tu jado main asar hei nahi huya na mere bhai jaan...tu Allah kiyon phir us main khud say asar dalay ga?

Yahan phir me wahi quran wali bat kahunga k mian bivi me jhagra kesay kerwate thay woh log ?

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Originally Posted by .BZU. (Post 13396)
Anyway now you beileve kay jadogar ko Allah nay itni taqat day di hay kay wo logon ko bemaar kar sakta hay(jadogar kay jado main asar hota hay)... Tooba Astaghfiruallah. jabkay Allah nay quran majeed main farmya hay kay main momin ka saath deta hon... aur udhar Allah us ka saath day raha hay jis ko Allah khud bura bhala keh raha hay.

Aisay to jo burayian duniya me phaili howi hain or phail rahi hain woh sab kesay hain kiya shaitan ker raha hay agar ap kehti hain k shaitan ker raha hay to us ko yeh ikhtiyar kesay aya or agar kehti hain k Allah pak ki taraf se hay to yeh kesay howa k quran me Allah ne burayion se roka hay or khud hi duniya me jari ker di hain.

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Originally Posted by .BZU. (Post 13396)
Please read the aya. aur batao kaahan likhan say yeh wazahay ho raha hay k jadu wadu se kuch nahi hota magar Allah k hukum or iraday se?aur jadogar kay jado main asar hota hay. Koi asar honay wali ayat to dikhao.. main nay tu dikhai na ayat jin say proof ho rha hay kay jadogar kuch nahi kar sakta. jadogar beiman/dhokay baz hay wagheera wagheera

App ne ayat quote ki hay lekin abhi tak is ka shan-e-nuzool or is se related jo sahi ahadees hain wo quote nahi ki yeh to wahi baat ho gayee k ek shuks kahay k Allah quran me farmata hay "NAMAZ K QAREEB MAT JAO" ab woh kahay k Allah ne quran me mana farmaya hay namaz k qareeb janay se jab k poori ayat yeh hay k " NAMAZ K QAREEB MAT JAO JAB TUM NASHAY KI HALAT ME HO" or yeh bilkul muje wesay hi lag rahi hay jesay k app apnay 4 sawalat puch rahi hain.

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Originally Posted by .BZU. (Post 13396)
surah nisa ki ayat main jado par iman lanay say kia muraad hay? zahir hay yehi muraad hay kay kay jaado main asar maan lena. aur konsa jado par imaan lana ka meaning ho sakata hay?

Nahi yeh murad nahi hay jadu main asar maan lena is se murad us k kiye daray per emaan lana k us k kernay se hoga jab k saaf wazeh hay Surah Baqra ayat # 102 main k Allah chahay to us me nuqsan ho sakta hay yani k jadu me asar nahi agar Allah chahy to asar ho sakta hay or Nafa Nuqsan bhi.

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Agar koi shakhas yeh maan lay kay jadogar kay jado main asar hay tu us par Allah ki lanat barsay gi.

Beshak us per Allah ki Lanat barasti hay jo asbab per yaqeen rakhta ho.

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Originally Posted by .BZU. (Post 13396)
Anyway Abh maan li aap ki baat... aur aap kay mutabiq wo sab batain maan lain ki jadogar kay tonay totkay main asar hay.(aur yeh asar Allah deta hay. because Allah nay jadogar ko sab say bara dhokay baaz aur beiman kaha hay)... aur wo ahadees bhi maan li jin ka aap nay abhi tak zikar hei nahi ki...

Ab jab bat man li ap ne to sara jhagra hi khatam howa na acha howa maan li bat ap nay wesay bhi ap ko man na hi tha q k ap galat hain apnay daway main.

.BZU. 29-10-2009 08:40 PM

Re: Jadoogar kay Jado main Asar ke Qaeleen say chand Sawalat. Question to follower of Jado's Effect. URDU
 
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Originally Posted by Raheel (Post 13400)
Agar jadu ki haqeeqat sirf itni hay ke woh jhoota shobda hay to Mian or Biwi me jhagra kesay ho jata tha ?

So tu khud hei Allah ki ayat ko jhoota keh rahay ho. jab Allah keh raha hay kay jadoo Jhota shubda hay tu yeh baat pochna aap ko shubah bhi nahi deti kay aap aisi baat mere say kaho. aap ko yeh baat Allah say karnay chahiay kay Ay Allah jab tu keh raha hay kay jhoota shubada hay tu saleman A.S kay yahoodiyon ka yeh Aqeeda kiyon tha kay wo yeh kehtay thay is jado say miyan biwi main jhagta ho jata hay? (But Allah nay yeh kaha kay is jado say wo kuch (nafa) miyan biwi main jhagra nahi kara saktay thay...)
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Originally Posted by Raheel (Post 13400)
Yahan phir me wahi quran wali bat kahunga k mian bivi me jhagra kesay kerwate thay woh log ?

Shyad yeh baat main nay already Usman ko explain ki hay kay kaisay jhaghra karwatay tha.

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Originally Posted by Raheel (Post 13400)
Kamiyab aisay nahi ho sakta k Allah ne usay nakamiyab kernay ka kaha hay is liye woh kesay kamiyab ho ?

Jab itni baat kar li hay kay jadoogar kaisay kamiyab ho tu matter hei seedha khatam ho gya kay jadogar kay jadoo main asar hei nahi hay. Allah jo chahay karta hay...


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Originally Posted by Raheel (Post 13400)
Aisay to jo burayian duniya me phaili howi hain or phail rahi hain woh sab kesay hain kiya shaitan ker raha hay agar ap kehti hain k shaitan ker raha hay to us ko yeh ikhtiyar kesay aya or agar kehti hain k Allah pak ki taraf se hay to yeh kesay howa k quran me Allah ne burayion se roka hay or khud hi duniya me jari ker di hain.

Phir yahan par sheetan aur Insan ko compare kar rahay ho. Allah nay insan ko 2 rasatay bata ay hain. Aik bura rasata aur aik Neek rasta.jo buray rasatay par amal kar raha hay . wo burayan phila raha hay.


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Originally Posted by Raheel (Post 13400)
App ne ayat quote ki hay lekin abhi tak is ka shan-e-nuzool or is se related jo sahi ahadees hain wo quote nahi ki

Jaddoo aur Taaghoot main shaan-e-nazool kidhar say aa giya... :mimindo7ix:
aur yeh behis 5 pages tak pohunch gai hay. aap dono nay abhi tak koi bhi aisi hasdees paish nahi ki. jo kay Allah kay quran ki nafi karnay ko tiyar ho...aur kehtay mujhay ho kay shane nazol . shane nazol.
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Originally Posted by Raheel (Post 13400)
yeh to wahi baat ho gayee k ek shuks kahay k Allah quran me farmata hay "NAMAZ K QAREEB MAT JAO" ab woh kahay k Allah ne quran me mana farmaya hay namaz k qareeb janay se jab k poori ayat yeh hay k " NAMAZ K QAREEB MAT JAO JAB TUM NASHAY KI HALAT ME HO" or yeh bilkul muje wesay hi lag rahi hay jesay k app apnay 4 sawalat puch rahi hain.

Yeh Main nay isi li ay aik ayat ka piece aap ko parhnay kay li ay qoute nahi kia tha. us ayat kay agay pechay wali sab ayat bhi share ki thein takay aap aisa socho bhi na.

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Oper tu likh dia kay Wama,. means Aur Nahi...
But Usi ayat kay anadr aglay line main likh dia kay,


Wama means Pechay lag gay us ilam kay...
Yahan par kiyon nahi kaha kay..

Nahi nazil kia giya farishton par? (jabakay peechay itna bhi likh diya hay kay frishton nay kufar nahi kia...aur agar jado Allah nay frishton kay zariay (jadoo, kufar) nazil kia hay tu phir Allah nay Saleman A.S par bhi jadoo (kufar) utara tha .because frishtay Nabiyon kay paas atay hain. airon gheeron kay pass nahi.)


aur phir nechay ja kar dobar yehi keh diya ...

Wama means nahi ...

Qissa Haroot Maroot Aur Jadoo Ki Haqeqat Surah Albaqrah ayat 102(Islamic Book) What is Magic ? Urdu... is ayat kay baray main mazeed tafseer aur Tashreeh is book main darj hay.:deal:
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Originally Posted by Raheel (Post 13400)
Nahi yeh murad nahi hay jadu main asar maan lena is se murad us k kiye daray per emaan lana k us k kernay se hoga jab k saaf wazeh hay Surah Baqra ayat # 102 main k Allah chahay to us me nuqsan ho sakta hay yani k jadu me asar nahi agar Allah chahy to asar ho sakta hay or Nafa Nuqsan bhi.

tu aap jado main asar maan kar kiye daray par tu emaan la rahay ho. aur konsa kia dara ha:sneeze:

Surah bakra main yeh nahi likha kay jadogar kay jado main asar dalnay ka hukum hay..

Allah kay hukum wali example aap nay khud hei di hay...


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Originally Posted by Raheel (Post 13394)
Let suppose agar jadugar kisi per us k mar janay k liye jadu kerta hay lekin woh shuks sakht beemar ho ker theek ho jata hay to yeh howa na k woh jadugar apnay maqsad me kamiyab nahi howa lekin Allah k hukum se woh beemar howa yani us shuks per us jadu ka asar to howa na ?

Us ka par jado ka Asar nahi hoya. Yehi baat hay us aayat albaqrah 102 main m kay Allah kay uzan say jo kuch hota hay. jadogar kay jado say kuch nahi hota...
yeh nahi hay kay us jadoogar nay jo mantar waghera parhay hain un say yeh bemaar hoga aur us shakhs par jadogar kay jadoo ka asar ho giya hay...aur waisay bhi jadogar yeh kab manta hay kay yeh sab Allah nay kia hay. phir bhi aapko us kay ki ay daray par emaan hay kay us kay kiye daray main Allah asar dal deta hay.

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Originally Posted by Raheel (Post 13394)
Beshak us per Allah ki Lanat barasti hay jo asbab per yaqeen rakhta ho.

Aap bhi tu jado kay asar (kiye daray par) beieve kar rahay ho na :whip:

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Ab jab bat man li ap ne to sara jhagra hi khatam howa na acha howa maan li bat ap nay wesay bhi ap ko man na hi tha q k ap galat hain apnay daway main.
main nay aap say un baton kay answer pochnay kay li ay kaha hay. chalo shabash answer do zara...:deal:


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