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same aesy he jado mein b bhi Allah k hukam sy nuqsan ho sakta ha or nahi b Quote:
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---------- Post added at 09:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:14 PM ---------- "Or wo dono unko kuch nahi seekhtay thy jab tk keh yeh na keh dayn k ham "zeryah e azmaesh" hain tum koofar mein na pero' garz log insy aesa jado seekhty jis sy mian biwi mein judai dal dayn or Allah k hukam k siwa iss (jado) sy kisi ka kuch nahi bigar sakty thy or kuch aesy (mantar) seekhty jo inko nuqsan he pohchty or kuch faida nahi or jis cheez k eewaaz unhon ny apni jaanon ko baich dala wo buri thi. kash wo iss bat ko janty |
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aap jo sheetan aur insan ki characteristics ka comparison kar rahay ho.. Aalh nay Frishton ko bhi paida kia hay... kia un kay characteristics insaan ki trah hain?jab nahi hain tu sheetan ko beech main lanay ka koi jawaz hei nahi banata hay mere bhai... |
Re: Jadoogar kay Jado main Asar ke Qaeleen say chand Sawalat. Question to follower of Jado's Effect. URDU Quote:
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laqin kafir tu booton sy manty, Log peeron k pass ja kr bhi muradain mangty hain or Allah un k zarzeh un ko deta bhi ha tu kya hm yeh tasawer kr rahy hain k peeron/booton ko allah ny ikhteyar dy diya ha? yan yeh keh unko sheetan dy raha ha.......... :salam:salam:salam:salam:salam:salam:salam:salam:s alam:salam:salam:salam:salam:salam:salam:salam http://bzupages.com/attachments/1062...62687-kaf1.gif ---------- Post added at 11:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:56 PM ---------- Quote:
Laqin inka moqaf yeh ha *Jitni bhi jado sy related sahi ahadees bhi hain jo yeh zahir karti hain k jado mein Allah k hukam sy asar ho sakta ha wo galat hain kyoun k wo quran sy inki interpretation k mutabiq takrati hain jado kuch nahi ha *jitni bhi sheetan or jinon k mutaliq sahi ahadees hain Sahi muslim or sahi bukhari ki bhi jesy k Allah k nabi ny kaha k sheetan insan k jism mein khone ki terhan chal phir sakta ha wo galat hain or abhi inka nahi pata laqin kuch or log hain shaid yeh bhi un sy hon yan ap bhi *jo kehty hain k Azab e Qabar k mutaliq jitni bhi sahi ahadees hain wo bhi galat hain, azab e qabar kuch nahi ha kyoun k quran mein kahin isska zikir nahi ha or jo ahadees hain wo quran ki kuch aeyat sy inki interpretation k mutabiq takrati hain |
Re: Jadoogar kay Jado main Asar ke Qaeleen say chand Sawalat. Question to follower of Jado's Effect. URDU Quote:
app nay aik bhi hadees paish nahi ki phir bhi yeh moqaf keh rahay ho. amazing Quote:
jado main asar mannay (shyad aap bhi) udhar yeh mantay ho kay Frishton nay kufar nahi kia. aur udhar mantay ho kay frishtay zameen par aa kay Loogn ko jado sikhatay thay.. baap ray..... Quote:
I believe Allah jo chahay kar sakta hay. but Allah apni kahi hoi baat ko ghalat nahi kehta hay...aur Allah ke rasool bhi (hadees) Allah ki kahi hoi baat ko ghalat nahi keh saktay... yeh mera moqaf hay mera moqaf yeh kay Allah nay jab yeh kaha hay kay. jadogar kabhi kamiyab nahi ho sakta (kia is ko youn interparate kia ja ay kay wo IT kay exams main kamiyab nahi ho sakata, baki sab kaam karnay main kamiyab ho sakta hay) isli ay Allah jadogar ko Bina kisi sabab kay ki ay janay walay jado ko kabhi kamiyab nahi honay day ga.Allah nay Firon kay jadogaron ko bhi fareeb aur dhoka kaaha. Un kay jado ko shobada (trick) kaha... Agar jadoogar yeh karnay main kamiyab ho jata hay tu Allah apni ayat ko khud wrong karay ga. Quote:
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Agar quran majeed main azab qabar ki naffi hoti tu wallah hum bhi is hadees ki nafi kartay. but quran main tu jadogar ki nafi ki gai hay phir bhi us ko zaeef ahadees say sabit kar kay aap yeh sabit kar rahay ho kay aap Jado aur taghoot par emaan rakhtay ho (means kehtay ho kay kisi na kisi trah in main asar hay)... jado aur taghot karnay say na aoozbillah kisi ko mafoqul Asbab nafa nuksaan ho jata hay...(physically effect ho jata hay) tu sun loo Allah nay aisay logon kay baray main kia farmaya hay... http://www.asanquran.com/Quran/Pages/Images/141.gif bina kisi sabab kay koi kaam honay ko mojaza kehtay hain. aap kay is concept kay mutabiq Allah nay jadogar ko mojzay aata ki ay hain kia?:achillpill: ......... Quote:
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aur yeh kay jado bar haq aur yeh sab kuchh bhi sach hay.... (because yeh sab behis aapo sirf isi waja say kar rahay ho kay aap kehtay ho kay yeh mandraja zail sab waqya huya hay)
:comfort_:Please in kay proof do.. in kay answer main nay khud nahi di ay aap do. nahi tu aap ko etraaz ho jata hay kay aapnay question kay answer khud hei day di ay hain.:deal: |
Re: Jadoogar kay Jado main Asar ke Qaeleen say chand Sawalat. Question to follower of Jado's Effect. URDU I have a question for BZU, ap muje yeh batayen ke Mafooq ul Asbab or Mateht ul Asbab sab ke liye ek hain, means Farishton k liye, Nabiyon or Aam insano k liye, Jinon k liye ? ya sab ke liye alag alag hain ? |
Re: Jadoogar kay Jado main Asar ke Qaeleen say chand Sawalat. Question to follower of Jado's Effect. URDU Quote:
Raheel. jee matehtul Asbaab ka meaning Allah ki banai gai sab makhlooq kay li ay aik hei hain. Allah ki banai gai har makhlooq jo bhi kaam karti hay. unka ko na koi sabab zaror hota hay... Right>>abh aap kahogay kay frishtay kaisay matehtul asbab kaam kartay hain. main nay already kaha hay kay frishton, insano, jino sab kay alag alag characteristics hotay hain. aap bhi usman ki trah wala comparision kar rahay ho. jaisay usman insan (jadogar) ko sheetan (jo kay na nazar anay wali makhlooq hay) ki taqat say compare kar rahay hain. e.g: frishton ki characteristics hain, kay wo masoom hotay hain, Gunah say paak hotay hain, insano ki trah fitna nahi kartay, har wo kaam kar saktay hain jis ki Allah nay unko ijazat di hoti hay.aur wo kaam nahi kartay jis say Allah un ko mana farmata hay. (zahir hay Allah nay unko koi na koi aisi taqat di hogi jis say wo kaam kartay hongay) Sheetan ka tu aap ko pata hei hay kay Allah nay us ko kitni taqat di hay.nahi pata tu quran majeed main parh lijiay ga. (because yahan jadogar (insan) ki behis ho rahi hay sheetani makhlooq ki nahi) Abh baat agai Insano ki: Sab say pehlay nabi A.S ko lay letay hain, nabi A.S bhi hamari trah kay insan hotay hain. but un main aur aaam insaano main yeh farq hota hay kay un ka wahi nazil hoti thei. jo kay frishtay lay kar utartay thay.But Allah nay Nabi A.S ko Mojzat bhi atta frma ay jo kay matehtul Asbab kaam kartay thay.(but humain tu mafoqul Asbab show hota hay is kay pechay bhi koi logic hoti hay, e.g Allah frishton ko order day kar wo kaam karwatay hongay.) Jaisay Mosa A.S ki laathi ka Snack ban jana. Esa abne Marium ka murda ko zinda kar dena. etc ... yeh sab mojzat thay... yeh tu hogi nabi ki shaan Abh Nabi kay baad Nabi ki ummat : Ummat bhi insan hoti hay aur ummat bhi jo kaam karti hay us kay pechay koi na koi sabab zaror hota hay.wo bhi tab hota hay Agar Allah nay us baat ka hukum dia ho, aur nahi ho sakta chahay hum jitni koshish kar lain. chahay wo peer ho, faqeer ho, molvi ho, malang baba ho, chahay hum hon, chahay jadogar hon. Wsalam... ---------- Post added at 07:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:17 PM ---------- Abh aap dear usman ki trah kaho gay kay jadogar Allah ki marzi say kaam kiyon nahi kar sakta... Answer is: Jadogar (insan) kay li ay Allah nay quran majeed main hukum farmaya hay kay wo kabhi kaamiyab nahi ho sakta. tu wo apnay mantar say kaisay jado kar kay apni marzi say jo kaam chahay kar sakta hay? Jadogar kay li ay Allah tala nay itna bola kay jadogar jadogar jo bhi kar kay dikhata hay wo us ka fareeb hota hay. ayat page1 par quoted hain. Isliay Allah kabhi jadogar ko jadokar kay uskay marzi kay kaam karnay ki permission bhi nahi day ga.nahi tu Allah tala ki apni hei ayat ki nafi kar day ga.but humain pata hay kay Allah tala kay quran majeed main zara barabar bhi ikhtelaaf nahi hay. Quote:
Thrid reason is: jado (not trick) kay asar honay ki real life main koi example bhi nahi hay. Agar koi yeh sabit kar leta hay kay hay, to wo Allah ki ayat ki nafi karnay wala ho ja ay ga... Waisay agar aap ko meri aur quran ki in baton say ikhtelaaf hay tu koi baat nahi. bas afsoos zaror hoga... |
Re: Jadoogar kay Jado main Asar ke Qaeleen say chand Sawalat. Question to follower of Jado's Effect. URDU Ek baaat ap batayen k quran me Allah ne farmaya k jadugar kabhi apnay maqsad me kamyab nahi ho sakta lekin yeh kahan farmaya hay k us k jadu me asar nahi hay ? koi aisi wazaih ayat ho to batayen. Let suppose agar jadugar kisi per us k mar janay k liye jadu kerta hay lekin woh shuks sakht beemar ho ker theek ho jata hay to yeh howa na k woh jadugar apnay maqsad me kamiyab nahi howa lekin Allah k hukum se woh beemar howa yani us shuks per us jadu ka asar to howa na ? App agar koi bat samjhana chahti hain or samajhti hain k ap huq per hain to app ko chahiye ke ayat ko quote kerne k sath sath us ki detail shan-e-nuzool or jo us ayat se related sahi ahadees hain wo paish kerain, quran me to Allah ne yeh bhi farmaya k Namaz Qaim kero lekin qaim kesay kerni hay yeh sahi ahadees batati hain na k quran me kahin bhi namaz qaim kerne ka tareeka hay 2nd soorah baqra me jo Allah ne farmaya hay ke woh is jadu wagaira se kisi ka kuch nuqsan nahi ker saktay siwa is k k Allah hi nuqsan ka hukum de, yeh ayat to app bilkul hi jhutla rahi hain.. Ap ne jo Soorah Nisah ki ayat quote ki hay "Kiya nahi dekha tum ne un logon ko jin ko diya gaya hay kuch hisa kitab-e-Ilahi me se k eeman rakhtay hain woh jadu tonay or shaitanee quwaton per" is se kahan wazaih ho raha hay ke jadu me asar nahi hai yeh ayat to yeh bata rahi hay ke in per eeman na rakho k jadu wadu se kuch nahi hota magar Allah k hukum or iraday se. |
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Aur nechay wali surah Younis . main Allah nay yeh kaha hay kay agar Allh ka mojaza jado hota tu wo bhi kamiyab nahi hota.. Agar jado main asar hay tu jadogar apnay jado karnay main kamiyab kaisay nahi ho sakta? Quote:
Aur Allah ne jis trah say hukum ki baat hay wo pechay 2 dafa likhi gai hay kay Allah ka hukum kis trah ho sakta hay... yahan yeh nahi likha huya kay Allah jadogar main asar dalnay ka hukum dayga, jabkay yeh zaror likha hay kay jado kisi ko koi faida nahi deta .balklay jado karnay walon ko nuqsaan hoga... Aur agar is trah ki baat maan lo kay Allah khud hei jadogar kay jado main asar dalnay ya na dalnay ka hukum day deta tu Allah apni hei kahi gai baat ka Ekhtelaaf kar raha hay kay .. udhar Allah keh raha hay kay jadogar kamiyab hei nahi ho sakta . aur udhar Allah beiman jadogar ko jis ko Allah nay kaha hay wo kamiyab hei nahi ho sakta, us ko jado say koi faida hei nahi hoga balkay nuqsaan hota hay,Phir Allah us ki khud hei madad karay ga.. wah ray. Quote:
Anyway now you beileve kay jadogar ko Allah nay itni taqat day di hay kay wo logon ko bemaar kar sakta hay(jadogar kay jado main asar hota hay)... Tooba Astaghfiruallah. jabkay Allah nay quran majeed main farmya hay kay main momin ka saath deta hon... aur udhar Allah us ka saath day raha hay jis ko Allah khud bura bhala keh raha hay. Quote:
surah nisa ki ayat main jado par iman lanay say kia muraad hay? zahir hay yehi muraad hay kay kay jaado main asar maan lena. aur konsa jado par imaan lana ka meaning ho sakata hay? Agar koi shakhas yeh maan lay kay jadogar kay jado main asar hay tu us par Allah ki lanat barsay gi. isliay bhi yeh baat hargiz nahi man ni chahay ... Raheel aur Usman bhai ... ---------- Post added at 03:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:43 PM ---------- Anyway Abh maan li aap ki baat... aur aap kay mutabiq wo sab batain maan lain ki jadogar kay tonay totkay main asar hay.(aur yeh asar Allah deta hay. because Allah nay jadogar ko sab say bara dhokay baaz aur beiman kaha hay)... aur wo ahadees bhi maan li jin ka aap nay abhi tak zikar hei nahi ki... abh aap wo 4 batain quran aur hadees sahi kay roshani main saabit kar kay dikhao...
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aur yeh behis 5 pages tak pohunch gai hay. aap dono nay abhi tak koi bhi aisi hasdees paish nahi ki. jo kay Allah kay quran ki nafi karnay ko tiyar ho...aur kehtay mujhay ho kay shane nazol . shane nazol. Quote:
http://www.asanquran.com/Quran/Pages/Images/633.gif http://asanquran.com/Quran/Pages/Images/25.gif http://bzupages.com/attachments/1061...on-par-naz.gif Oper tu likh dia kay Wama,. means Aur Nahi... But Usi ayat kay anadr aglay line main likh dia kay, Wama means Pechay lag gay us ilam kay... Yahan par kiyon nahi kaha kay.. Nahi nazil kia giya farishton par? (jabakay peechay itna bhi likh diya hay kay frishton nay kufar nahi kia...aur agar jado Allah nay frishton kay zariay (jadoo, kufar) nazil kia hay tu phir Allah nay Saleman A.S par bhi jadoo (kufar) utara tha .because frishtay Nabiyon kay paas atay hain. airon gheeron kay pass nahi.) aur phir nechay ja kar dobar yehi keh diya ... Wama means nahi ... Qissa Haroot Maroot Aur Jadoo Ki Haqeqat Surah Albaqrah ayat 102(Islamic Book) What is Magic ? Urdu... is ayat kay baray main mazeed tafseer aur Tashreeh is book main darj hay.:deal: Quote:
Surah bakra main yeh nahi likha kay jadogar kay jado main asar dalnay ka hukum hay.. Allah kay hukum wali example aap nay khud hei di hay... Quote:
yeh nahi hay kay us jadoogar nay jo mantar waghera parhay hain un say yeh bemaar hoga aur us shakhs par jadogar kay jadoo ka asar ho giya hay...aur waisay bhi jadogar yeh kab manta hay kay yeh sab Allah nay kia hay. phir bhi aapko us kay ki ay daray par emaan hay kay us kay kiye daray main Allah asar dal deta hay. Quote:
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