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Shirk ki Aqsaam (Quran o Hadees ki nazar mein). Types of Shirk according to quran and sahee hadit 4 Attachment(s) |
Re: Shirk ki Aqsaam (Quran o Hadees ki nazar mein). Types of Shirk according to quran and sahee hadit 1 Attachment(s) apki di hwi book perhnay k bad bhi mujhay abhi tk apkay iss 3rd point sy itfaq nahi ha... apny sari aeyat tu quran sy quote ki hain or kuch hawaly bida'tiyon k bhi diye hain masaallah sy magr apki sari aeyat ki tashreeh apny andaz sy ki ha apna mantaqi falsafa sunaya ha jab k quran pak mein jo ap kehty ho wazeh tore pr kahin nahi likha or quran ki aeyat ka apny andaz sy falsafa suna kr sahi ahadees ka inkar munkar e ahadees ka sheewa ha jo ajkal ek new school of though paida ho raha ha Attachment 10609 jesy ab iss aeyat ki he translation ly layn apny isski translation yeh tu ki ha k jado ghar ka jado kisi ko nuksan nahi pohcha sakta magar agay yeh nahi perha magar allah he ws nuksan ka hukam dy dye.... yeh tu sb ka manana ha k iss duniya mein koi bhi ws waqt tk kuch nahi kr sakta jab tk k allah na chahay, chahay wo bura kam ho yan acha yahan tk k sheetan ko bhi allah ny he insanon ko wargalany ka ikhtiyar diya ha wo khud tu ek tinka torny k qabil bhi na tha. or iss sy uper surat taha ki aeyat mein ...jado ghar kabhi apny maqsad mein kamyab nahi ho sakta han iss duniya mein koi bhi apny maqsad mein kamyab nahi ho sakta jab tk allah ka hukam na ho or Allah he apny bandon k liye kafi ha faraz kero agr koi kisi ko qatal kerny ata ha tu kya wo allah k hukam k elawa kisi ko qatal kr sakta ha nahi kabhi nahi magar agar allah he chahta ho k wsny qatal hona ha iss terhan tu wo zaroor kamyab ho jye ga apki sari book mein zabardsti aeyat ki translation ko apnay aqeeda ki taraf khanch khanch kr ly jaya gaya ha ek he bat ko 10 10 bar kaho yan so so bar, aram sy kaho yan chilla kr wo agar sahi nahi tu sahi nahi quran ki aeyat ki apny andaz sy tashreeh kerny ki bajye yeh aeyat tu ghore sy perhain Surat Al Baqra Aeyat no 102 "Or wo dono unko kuch nahi seekhtay thy jab tk keh yeh na keh dayn k ham "zeryah e azmaesh" hain tum koofar mein na pero' garz log insy aesa jado seekhty jis sy mian biwi mein judai dal dayn or Allah k hukam k siwa iss (jado) sy kisi ka kuch nahi bigar sakty thy or kuch aesy (mantar) seekhty jo inko nuqsan he pohchty or kuch faida nahi or jis cheez k eewaaz unhon ny apni jaanon ko baich dala wo buri thi. kash wo iss bat ko janty" agar ap sachy dil sy kisi k specific believes ko side pr rakh kr iss aeyat ki translation with shan e nazool perh layn tu apko sari bat smjh aa jye gi apki sari baton ka jawab yeh aeyat deti ha or doori bat yeh k agar ap itni sari sahi ahadees jo sahi muslim or sahi bukhari mein ha jin ki sanad bilkul sahi ha wsko galat keh rahy hain tu kis bina pr iss bina pr k wo quran k ap k ki hwi translation sy nahi milti ws sy takrati hain... yani doosray alfaz mein ap un ahadees k ravi galat keh rahy hain unko jhoota bana rahy hain tu unhi raviyoun ny or bhi ahadees kahi hain tu ek jhooty ravi pr phir kaise aitabar kiya ja sakta ha iss ka matlab ap k nazdeeq baqi or bhi hundreds of ahadess galat hain...kyoun k un k ravi or in ahadees k ravi same hain |
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Phir tu is baat ko bhi maan lo na kay Tawwez jo marzi karna chahay kar sakta hay... Kiyon kay us main Allah paak ki marzi ho sakti hay... Quran paak bhi galay main lataka do wo bhi sab kuch kar sakta hay... Buton ki poja karna bhi start kar do. because us main bhi Allah ki marzi ho sakti hay. Murda peer ki kabar par jao tu wo bhi jo kuch marzi kar sakta hay... Sorah taha ayat 69. kay mutabiq.... Last week meri aik alaama sahab say baat ho rahi thei jo kay kehtay thay kay jado main asar hay.. Unhon nay tu na aozbillah Jadogar ko itni taqat day di thei.. Un kay mutabiq. Allah tala nay jadogar ko itni taqat day di thei kay us nay firoon kay darbar main lakri/ rasiyon main rooh phonk di thei. aur na aozillah us mai jaan daal di thei... Mujhay yeh samjh nahi aa e kay jadogar nay aik bejaan cheez main Rooh phoonk kar Allah tala kay barabar makaam hasil kar lia. phir bhi ap kehtay ho kay wo kamiyab nahi huya tha... (Jab kay mere ilam kay mutabiq Insano main sirf Essa A.S ka mojza tha kay wo murda ko zinda kar detay thay. Ya sirf Rooh phonknay wali taqat sirf Allah kay pass hay) Aap kay mutabiq tu jadogar har kuch kar sakta hay.. (means Allah nay jadogar ko har cheez karnay ki taqat di hay..) Jb Allah nay kaha hay kay ghayab ka ilam sirf main jata hon. tu aap ka yeh kehna . Allah aur rasool ki is baat ko khulam khula jhutla raha hay kay. Jadogar bhi apnay jado say Ghayab ki batain maloom kar leta hay... --- Quote:
yahan share karai na.... Quran paaki ki translation apnay apnay ghar main paray ho ay Quran majeed main daikh lo.. is main koi apki meri translation wali baat hei nahi hay... Also Give the answer of following... http://bzupages.com/f16/jadoogar-kay...ect-urdu-6215/ |
Re: Shirk ki Aqsaam (Quran o Hadees ki nazar mein). Types of Shirk according to quran and sahee hadit Quote:
quran pak mein tu un k bary mein koi tafseel he nahi ha or bohat si roz marah ki baton ki tashreeh tu ahadees sy milti hain jesy namaz or zakat wagara but i am asking k agar wo ahadess galat hain tu zahir ha un k ravi galat ha tu ek galat ravi ko kaise ek hadees k liye sahi or doosri k liye galat kaha ja sakta ha jhooty ravi pr kaise aitabar kiya ja sakta ha or apny mei uper aeyat ko nahi perha shaid ap kisi molvi ko chorain mein ny jo kaha ws pr bat karin kis ny kya kiya , kya nahi kiya mujhy nahi pata Surat Al Baqra Aeyat no 102 "Or wo dono unko kuch nahi seekhtay thy jab tk keh yeh na keh dayn k ham "zeryah e azmaesh" hain tum koofar mein na pero' garz log insy aesa jado seekhty jis sy mian biwi mein judai dal dayn or Allah k hukam k siwa iss (jado) sy kisi ka kuch nahi bigar sakty thy or kuch aesy (mantar) seekhty jo inko nuqsan he pohchty or kuch faida nahi or jis cheez k eewaaz unhon ny apni jaanon ko baich dala wo buri thi. kash wo iss bat ko janty" |
Re: Shirk ki Aqsaam (Quran o Hadees ki nazar mein). Types of Shirk according to quran and sahee hadit http://asanquran.com/Quran/Pages/Images/25.gif To is say bhi yehi sabit hota hay na kay jado main koi asar nahi hay... chahay wo jo kuch bhi karain. |
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Re: Shirk ki Aqsaam (Quran o Hadees ki nazar mein). Types of Shirk according to quran and sahee hadit 2 Attachment(s) Quote:
Ap bhi tu mujhay Behis ka shikar bana rahay hay kay .. jo marzi aa ay translate kar dia hay main nay... aap nay tarjama aisa hei kia.. bilkul jaisay kay in molana sahab nay kia.... Acha abh khud soochoo.... let me explain..: Attachment 10611 Usi ooper wali ayat main daikho... aap kehtay ho kay main nay apni marzi ka translation kia hay.... But apnay in allama ka Freeb daikh lo... Jinho nay aik hei ayat main aik hei lafaz kay 2 meaning nikalay hain.... Oper tu likh dia kay Wama,. means Aur Nahi... But Usi ayat kay anadr aglay line main likh dia kay, Wama means Pechay lag gay us ilam kay... Yahan par kiyon nahi kaha kay? Nahi nazil kia giya 2 farishton haroot maroot par? aur phir nechay ja kar dobar yehi keh diya ... Wama means nahi ... main nay highlight kia hay :(( parh lain translate meri marzi ka bhi aur apni marzi ka bhi... ================ |
Re: Shirk ki Aqsaam (Quran o Hadees ki nazar mein). Types of Shirk according to quran and sahee hadit kaha na wsko choro jo mein ny likha ha issko perho or bataow kya galti ha Surat Al Baqra Aeyat no 102 "Or wo dono unko kuch nahi seekhtay thy jab tk keh yeh na keh dayn k ham "zeryah e azmaesh" hain tum koofar mein na pero' garz log insy aesa jado seekhty jis sy mian biwi mein judai dal dayn or Allah k hukam k siwa iss (jado) sy kisi ka kuch nahi bigar sakty thy or kuch aesy (mantar) seekhty jo inko nuqsan he pohchty or kuch faida nahi or jis cheez k eewaaz unhon ny apni jaanon ko baich dala wo buri thi. kash wo iss bat ko janty" |
Re: Shirk ki Aqsaam (Quran o Hadees ki nazar mein). Types of Shirk according to quran and sahee hadit abh tu quran ka translate aap apni marzi say kar rahay ho na.. aur kehtay mujhay ho... Quote:
Waisay Allah khud aisa hukum day ga kiyon. kay wo kisi ka kuch begaar sakain?? because Allah nay kaha jo hay kay jadogar kabhi kamiyab hei nahi ho sakta... Quote:
Yeh nahi kay apnay ghar baithay jado kar kay qatal karta hay... |
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acha mein ny apni merzi sy ki ha chalo ap same issi line ki translation kero...deikhta hn ap kya kerty ho yeh lo apki translation faraq bataow |
Re: Shirk ki Aqsaam (Quran o Hadees ki nazar mein). Types of Shirk according to quran and sahee hadit yeh translation meri hei to qoute kar rahay hain aap... waisay... main nay is ayat kay part ki baat nahi ki. balkay is ki part ki baat ki hay . kay aap nay aur Alama hazarat nay apni marzi say ki hay... let me qoute again.. Quote:
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Allama ko beech mein bar bar kyoun ly ati hain jye jahanum mein mujhy kya ws sy meri bat karain meri or apki translation mein kya faraq ha...yeh batayn bas |
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Loog un cheezon kay pechay lag gay jo sheetan sekhatay thay Sleman A.S nay kufar nahi nahi. balkay un sheetano nay kufar kia...jo logon ko jado sikhatay thay... .. abh agay aap ki baat lay lete hain... Or wo dono unko kuch nahi seekhtay thy jab tk keh yeh na keh dayn k ham "zeryah e azmaesh" hain tum koofar mein na pero' yahan tak tu aap theek ho... us kay bad aap yeh kiyon kehtay ho kay Is ka yeh matlab hay kay Loog in say jado seekhtay thay... Jabkay pehlay Allah nay iss baat ki daleel di kay Na hei farishton par jado nazil hua aur na hei frishton nay jado sikhaya... Aur Allah nay yeh bhi kaha : Quote:
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Yeh kiyon nahi kehtay kay Sheetan Jado sikhatay thay.. because pechay Allah nay ye bhi kaha hay kay Sheetano nay kufar kia... aur Allah nay Apnay frishton ki gurentee bhi di kay yeh sirf haq sekhatay thay aur kehtay thay kay buray kamo main na paro. yeh tumhain koi faida nahi dain gay... |
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or wo aesi kya cheez thi jo logon k liye azmaesh thi jo wo seeikhty thy phir? or agy perho likha ha log insy jado seekhty thy in sy ka matlab kya hota ha ? or Allah ny yeh bhi kaha k jado garr kamyab nahi ho sata magar siwaye iss k keh allah he nuqsan ka hukam dy dy kyoun kaha yeh...? |
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Jadoogar kay Jado main Asar ke Qaeleen say chand Sawalat. Question to follower of Jado's Effect. URDU |
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mujh sy yahan bari bari ek ek sawal poch hr ek ka answer deta ha... wo sare batain wazah ho jayn gi hr ek sawal ka youn jawab dnga tu khachri pak jati ha ap pocho mein jawab deta ha ek ek sawal ka answer dnga Quran ki tashreeh kerny k liye ahadees hain apny apni tashreeh kr k sahi ahadess ko he galat sabit krna shuru kr diya ha tu phir hr ek youn he apny apny andaz sy apnay apny matlab nikaly ga Jesy Molana Tahir Ul Qadri sb kr rahy hain ajkal ap apny matlab nikalo wo apny nikalta ha or hm jesa koi apny...kyoun Sahi ahadees hr ek ki tashreeh k mutabiq galat hony lag gai hain abhi kal ko koi or uthy ga wo bhi kisi aeyat sy kisi hadees ko apny matlab sy takra kr galat kr dy ga |
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sahih hadees sach main quran ki tashreeh karti hain.:tickedoff:quran ki nafi nahi karti hain... agar nafi karain tu qo Zaeef ahadees hoti hay... Abhi tak aap nay koi hadees share ki hay? jo aap aisa kuch keh rahay hain?main nay tu chalo kuch ayat paish ki. jin ko ap half mantay aur half nahi.. |
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imam muslim or bukhari jahil nahi thy wo bhi bohat kuch janty thy or quran ki yeh sb aeyat unhon ny bhi perhi hongi lazmi... ap sari sahi ahadees ka inkar kerty ho tu quote krny ka faida? ok ab mein apko quote keronga bohai si sahi muslim ki ahadees or sahi bukhari ki ahadees ok... or ap apni tashreeh sy unko quran sy takra kr galay sabit kerna ok... |
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Takrao gay tu aap .. na... i can wait for those words. to kay quran ki is baat ki nafi kar rahay hon kay. Jadogar ka jado dhoka nahi.. Jadogar ko bi Allah nay itni takat di hay kay wo jo kuch marzi chahay kar sakta hay. (yeh baat har wo shakash manta hay jo kay kehta hay kay jadi haq he) CYA... :cya: |
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http://bzupages.com/attachments/1061...hat-shirk2.gif Allah ny yehi kaha ha jo uper quote kiya gaya ha Allah ny kaha ha jado ghar kamyab nahi ho sakta han nahi ho sakta mein bhi manta hn Allah ny kahin nahi kaha jado ghar ka jado asar nahi kerta or apny apni tashreeh sy bana liya nahi kerta |
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Allah nay saaf saaf keh diya hay kay jadoo say wo kuch faida hasil nahi kar saktay thay... Tu is say aqalmand insan ko khud hei samjh aa jani chahi ay kay. jadoo kay antar mantar (kalemat) main koi asar nahi hoga . isili ay tu Allah khula elaan kar raha hay kay wo jantar mantar , un ko kuch faida nahi dete thay... phir aap taweez ko shirk kiyon kehtay ho? buton ki poja karnay main asaar man nay walay ko mushrik kiyon kehtay ho? un ka bhi tu quran main nahi zikar na... Shirk hay isli ay kay aap yeh kehtay ho kay jadogar . Allah ki trah sab kuchh kar sakta hay tu yeh Shirk nahi hay... Baaqi sab shirk hay? Wah aap ka emaan.... |
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abhi yeh masla tu hal kr lo taweez ka khud he ho jye ga |
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nazar-e-bad ko mindo nillah mantay ho. etc jo sab shirk oper biyan ki ay gay hain. un kay kuch karnay ko agar is li ay shirk kehtay ho kay wo mindo nillah hay? tu aap ko yeh baat samjh main kiyon nahi ati kay Jado ko bhi mindo nillah kaho... Aap kehtay ho kay jadogar ko itni taqat di hay.tu mindonillah sirf Baaqi cheezain hain? is main Jadogar ka asar shamil nahi. Phir tu Allah ko kehna chahi ay tha kay Mindo nillah (but jadogar is not mindonillah) kiyon jadogar ko baqool aap kay Allah nay har kaam karnay ki taqat di hay. tu yeh bat sabit ho jati hay kay aap jadogar ko Allah ka shreek man rahay ho. agay aap ki marzi hay jsi trah say marzi shareek banao. I have search a book about jado , insha Allah yeh book ap ki jado ki tehqeeq main aap ki help kar saky, not written by me... here it is.. Qissa Haroot Maroot Aur Jadoo Ki Haqeqat http://www.scribd.com/doc/21606715 |
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